17 siren sailboat

The Siren 17 is a 17.17ft fractional sloop designed by Hubert Vandestadt and built in fiberglass by Vandestadt and McGruer Ltd. (CAN) between 1974 and 1987.

3200 units have been built..

The Siren 17 is an ultralight sailboat which is a very high performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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SIREN 17 Detailed Review

If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of SIREN 17. Built by Vandestadt and McGruer Ltd. (CAN) and designed by Hubert Vandestadt, the boat was first built in 1974. It has a hull type of Swing Keel and LOA is 5.23. Its sail area/displacement ratio 26.99. Its auxiliary power tank, manufactured by undefined, runs on undefined.

SIREN 17 has retained its value as a result of superior building, a solid reputation, and a devoted owner base. Read on to find out more about SIREN 17 and decide if it is a fit for your boating needs.

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Boat specifications, sail boat calculation, rig and sail specs, contributions, who designed the siren 17.

SIREN 17 was designed by Hubert Vandestadt.

Who builds SIREN 17?

SIREN 17 is built by Vandestadt and McGruer Ltd. (CAN).

When was SIREN 17 first built?

SIREN 17 was first built in 1974.

How long is SIREN 17?

SIREN 17 is 4.57 m in length.

What is mast height on SIREN 17?

SIREN 17 has a mast height of 6.71 m.

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Rig specifications.

These are the specifications provided by the designers, but even from the factory, these boats may not be identical. The reason for this is that the sail industry often contracts manufacturing to different sources in order to achieve economies of scale. What this means is – your Siren 17 may be more unique than you initially thought.

It’s important to note that boats are also frequently customized, so if you suspect that work has been done on yours, it’s best to take your own measurements. When ordering a sail, we will advise you if using the manufacturer’s specifications is appropriate, or if we require you to complete our own measurement forms.

I: 17.00 ft / 5.18 m

J: 6.00 ft / 1.83 m

P: 17.75 ft / 5.41 m

E: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m

The Siren 17 is a small, monohull with a length overall of 17 feet and a beam of 6 feet. It has a displacement of 750 pounds and a sail area of approximately 139 square feet. The boat is designed to be sailed by one or two people and has a maximum capacity of four. The Siren 17’s low profile and sleek lines give it a modern, sporty look that is both functional and attractive. The boat’s interior is made up of fiberglass and molded with foam; the cabin has mahogany handrails and enough space for two average-size adults to sleep. The cockpit, on the other hand, is much larger than the cockpits of most 17-footers. It has a draft of 4.25 ft. and consists of a steel plate centerboard that is operated from the cockpit.

Performance

The Siren 17 is a responsive and lively sailboat that is well-suited for both racing and cruising. Its light weight and narrow beam make it quick and agile on the water, while its large sail area allows it to perform well in light to moderate winds. The boat’s high aspect ratio rig and deep keel provide excellent upwind performance and good stability in rough conditions. Overall, the Siren 17 is a fun and versatile sailboat that can provide hours of enjoyment for sailors of all skill levels. Because of its compact design, the Siren 17 sailboat can be transported without the help of a crowd; it can be easily towed to a medium-size car for launching and hauling out. Despite being a full-featured, small-size sailboat, it is economical.

The Siren 17 was designed by Hubert Vandestadt in 1967 as a small, affordable sailboat for recreational use. It was produced by his company – Vandestadt & Mc Gruer Ltd, in Canada, Ontario. After its launch in 1974, the company produced nearly 3,200 units of this model. The production continued for thirteen years, and it became the most successful sailboat produced in Canada. Its lightweight fiberglass hull and simple rigging made it popular among amateur sailors who wanted a boat that was easy to handle and fun to sail. The Siren 17 quickly became a popular choice for racing, and its reputation for speed and agility on the water led to the development of a one-design racing class in the early 1970s.

The Siren 17 features a sloop rig with a mainsail and a jib. The mainsail has a sail area of approximately 89 square feet, while the jib has a sail area of approximately 50 square feet. The Siren 17’s sail plan provides excellent performance in a wide range of wind conditions. The large mainsail and jib allow the boat to generate plenty of power, while the high aspect ratio rig provides good efficiency and speed. The boat is particularly well-suited for sailing upwind, where its deep keel and powerful sail plan can help it make good progress against the wind.

The Siren 17 is a versatile and enjoyable pocket cruiser that has been a popular choice among sailors for over 50 years. Its simple yet modern design, excellent performance, and low maintenance requirements make it an ideal choice for both racing and cruising.

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We would love to help you enhance your sailing experience on your Siren 17. That’s why we have put together a list of expertly curated sail recommendations just for you. You can find more information about each sail and what makes our designs stand out by following the links to our education page.

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Siren 17 info...?

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• Start date Apr 6, 2014
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I just acquired a Siren 17. I need sails... I'd also like to put any info about this boat in one easy to find spot. Right now there is a Private yahoo group... So if anyone has sail sizes and boom tent sizes and or drawings I'd love to copy them and put everything together. If you have a link that may be heplful please pass it along. Here is the sailboatdata.com link: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3870 Thanks all!  

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The IJPE specs shown in Sailboatdata should get you far in selecting/ordering sails. I ~= jib luff J = distance from tack fitting to mast P = main luff E = main foot (boom length)(try an 8'x6' tarp for a trial boom tent)  

daryl.ramage

Siren info A good guy to contact is Pat Reagan (Shoretyus) on the Trailer Sailor forum. He used to have a Siren and has moved bigger to a Sirius. Pat is very knowledgeable about modifications. DAryl  

Something doesn't seem right with the sailboat data spec for the sails, 22 ft luff on a 17ft boat would be a pretty tall rig. Eyeballing the picture, if it is to scale looks like it should be smaller. Also, looking for new sails came across FX sails that has different dimensions for the sails for your boat. See link below and scroll down to Siren. I would confirm the dimensions over on the yahoo group or measure your own boat before ordering sails. Never owned a Siren but when I first stated looking for a boat I came across a couple. http://www.fxsails.com/quoter/selectboat.php  

Tom G said: Something doesn't seem right with the sailboat data spec for the sails, 22 ft luff on a 17ft boat would be a pretty tall rig. Eyeballing the picture, if it is to scale looks like it should be smaller. Also, looking for new sails came across FX sails that has different dimensions for the sails for your boat. See link below and scroll down to Siren. I would confirm the dimensions over on the yahoo group or measure your own boat before ordering sails. Never owned a Siren but when I first stated looking for a boat I came across a couple. http://www.fxsails.com/quoter/selectboat.php Click to expand

Thanks all! I was granted access to the Siren 17 Yahoo group today. There is allot of info on the site. I'm not sure why it's private...? Anyway here are a few things I found about the sail size... Every thing I could want! SIREN 17 Sail Dimensions [FONT=&quot]From Sailrite Sailplan Database [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]http://www.sailritesails.com/[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]THE STANDARD BOAT DIMENSIONS[/FONT] ​ [FONT=&quot]Data courtesy of: [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]sailrite[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I[/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]J[/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]P[/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]E[/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]I2/P2[/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]J2/E2[/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]17.167ft (5232mm) [/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]6.42ft (1956mm) [/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]17.50ft (5334mm) [/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]8.50ft (2591mm) [/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]CONSTRUCTION AND BACKGROUND DETAILS [/FONT] ​ [FONT=&quot]Length:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]17.17ft (5233mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Source of Data:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Owner Measurements[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Builder/Designer:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Vandestadt and McGruer [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]URL:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]http://sailquest.com/market/models/siren.htm[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Production Status:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Out Of Production[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Description:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]L.O.A.: 17' 2" (5.24m) L.W.L.: 15' 0" (4.57 m) Beam: 6' 8" (2.03 m) Draft: 8" to 4' 3" Displacement: 750 lbs. (340 kg.) Ballast: 130 lbs. (59 kg.) [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SAIL DIMENSION TABLES (the more popular sails only) [/FONT]​ [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 MAINSAIL[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]17.5*ft (5333mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]8.5*ft (2590mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech-AftHdBd[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]19.1*ft (5821mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Tack Ang[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]88*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Diag (clew/head)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]19.19*ft (5849mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Head (inches)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]4*in (102mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area (no Roach)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]77.4*ft2 (7191mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 GENOA[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]16ft (4876mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]11.25ft (3428mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]15.5ft (4724mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Perc LP[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]172.17*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Length Perp[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]10.33*ft (3148mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Deck Angle[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]3.85*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]82.67*ft2 (7680mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]160% furling genoa[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 JIBSAIL[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]16.5ft (5029mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]8.25ft (2514mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]14.25ft (4343mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Perc LP[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]118.67*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Length Perp[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]7.12*ft (2170mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Deck Angle[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]10.83*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]58.78*ft2 (5461mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 ASYMMETRICAL[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]17.13*ft (5221mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]9.9*ft (3017mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]15.76*ft (4803mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Perc LP[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]165*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]127*ft2 (11799mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 DRIFTER[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]16.75ft (5105mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]8.75ft (2666mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]15.25ft (4648mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Perc LP[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]132.00*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Length Perp[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]7.92*ft (2414mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Deck Angle[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]5.71*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]66.34*ft2 (6163mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]estimated drifter based on original track locations[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 JIBSAIL[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]16ft (4876mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]7.42ft (2261mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]13.58ft (4139mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Perc LP[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]104.67*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Length Perp[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]6.28*ft (1914mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Deck Angle[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]12.79*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]50.21*ft2 (4665mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Furling jib[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]SIREN 17 GENOA[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Price This Sail[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Luff[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]16ft (4876mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Foot[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]10.67ft (3252mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Leech[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]15.58ft (4748mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Perc LP[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]154.21*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Length Perp[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]9.9*ft (3017mm)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Deck Angle[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]1.35*[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Area[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]79.22*ft2 (7360mm2)[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Comments[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]150% furling genoa[/FONT]  

Hi folks, i am looking for a pair of jib cam cleats that attach to a 1inch T track on my siren 17. anyone have two for sale or can send me in the right direction? thanks  

Do you mean something like this, a sliding fairlead with cam cleat? http://www.apsltd.com/dinghy-jib-lead-port-bullseye-swivel-h365-carbo-cam.html I guess it all depends on the dimensions of the t-track. Worst case scenario, you can get a whole C-track setup and just replace the works. For example, one of these: http://www.apsltd.com/jib-lead-kit-horizontal-cam-composite-line-guide.html  

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Re: Siren 17

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lustyslogger wrote: ↑ Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:44 am Send me a Siren 17 down here and I will be more than pleased to write up a review!

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JacquesR wrote: ↑ Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:32 pm Went to see a Siren 17 before I bought my Piper. Seats in the cockpit are very low. My knees didn't like that. Also, access to the interior is not easy. You almost have to crawl to get inside. Not for me but certainly for ethers to consider.

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Greetings! I just bought a Siren 17. The former owner didn't understand much about how she ought to be rigged. I can't make much sense of how to rig the mainsheet. It appears the line from the boom would lead to a small block on the port side of the stern, then to a block on starboard with a cam cleat. Thus it appears the boom will always have a port bias. Doesn't seem right. Secondly, the two bolts at the forward end of the "swing keel" confuse me. Why are there two? Finally, I'm not familiar with roller furling jibs. The seller told me the roller furling jib luff takes the place of the forestay. Can this be true? Best, jim  

this helped me thank you!  

I have been sailing my siren for the first summer and towards the end my father and I feel that we have figured out some nice features. First The swing keel upper bolt is a lock pin, on ours I had to drag a rope under the boat and pull to get it to lock in place. (That may not be you need to do with yours.) Second the cushions inside come out to sit on while sailing, these are great on long days. Also I feel that the boom end sheeting is the best because it makes the boat feel a little bigger but if your flying solo rock it out on the sole. The boom on ours was too low on the mast and we moved it up so that the sail almost touched the top of the mast and it made a ton more head room. There is not a ton of info out there for these so I hope this helps. It is everything that I have learned over the course of a summer. Most importantly lock the keel in place and if it is your first time learning to sail buy a heel gauge for about 10 bucks and learn that the boat heels really nice and if your new it feels like a lot more that it is. I run mine in high winds about 20 degrees although before I found out that I had the keel only half way down I nearly capsized it a few times. Have fun and enjoy your new boat  

Hi everyone! My apologies in resurrecting this old post, but I am also new to sailing and purchased a Siren 17 in unfortunate condition. Most pieces were broken / missing, including portals, main hardware that attaches the boom to the mast, and the rudder. A friend of ours had a Siren that was destroyed in hurricane Sandy, and we benefited through his donation of a rudder and some hardware. After purchasing a Nautos swivel block to attach the boom to the deck, and buying a new fixed gooseneck from Dwyer, we are almost ready to sail! My question is that we have the halyard currently attached to the boom, holding it horizontally against the mast. Obviously this needs to be attached to the head to raise the mainsheet, but does there also need to be another line to hold up the clew end up the boom, or will the mainsheet be enough to support it? I've been looking at pictures in books and online, and some appear to have a secondary line going to the end of the boom, but others don't have one at all. Thank you in advance for your help!  

I know this is an old thread, but I suspect there are still some folks out there (like me) who have recently become a Siren owner and are trying to figure things out. Luckily, mine came with some old paperwork that provided some answers. I have attached a diagram showing three different rigging arrangements for the main sheet. When I bought the boat, it had the "single block" arrangement, which didn't seem very efficient. I figured the other options were progressive improvements, so I used the specs for the "boom-end" arrangement to re-rig the main sheet, and it works pretty well. The "secondary line" you refer to is called a topping lift. It supports the end of the boom, but should be detached and secured when the mainsail has been raised. On the Siren, it consists of a 3/16" by 27 foot line.  

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Sorry to jump in here, but I'm on the verge of buying a 1987 siren. The owner tells me that it has some different setups from other years.. Particularly the rudder assembly. Wondering what I should be looking to pay for this including the trailer. I haven't heard him mention the boom tent which totally entices me for some small lake getaways in my area. Can anyone point me in the right direction for specs etc on this model. Many thanks. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk  

Hello, I first purchased a Siren in the mid 1990's and sailed Lake Erie and some inland lakes for years. A couple years ago I purchased my current Siren to teach my grand daughter how to sail. I purchased a Siren again because I was familiar with the previous one. When I purchased mine I bought it from someone in Canada and met him at the border and was able to get a better price because of the exchange rate. It saved me several hundred dollars. I think I paid about $2500 for mine but it wasn't in the best of shape and I ended up using another trailer I had instead of the one it came with. I enjoy adding a lot of improvements to it though I'd probably cringe if I kept track of all I've spent over the past few years. Came with the original main and jib sail which I still use. It cleaned up nicely and I've added a lot to it since then. It's a great boat to sail for me. I do have the manual etc. that came with mine. I believe mine was built in 1979 though. I'm guessing there isn't too much different about it. I don't think most come with the boom tent though that is something you could have made easy enough. Two can sleep in the cabin as is. Some of the things I've added include: All new cushions both for inside the cabin and out in the cockpit. New 6hp Mercury motor. New semi-spinnaker sail. Replaced all teak wood hand rails and door trim with Corian. I think it looks better and doesn't need to be re-finished ever. Corian table inside the cabin with Sony stereo system mounted underneath and two speakers on both sides of the cabin entrance. We decided to make it look like a pirate ship so we added canon ports to the sides, anchor and other graphics for the fun of it. When your boat looks like a pirate ship it makes it so you don't have to worry about every little scratch or dirt mark because it kind of goes with the what we're trying to make it look like. I added some 1/8" wooden plywood port covers and had a company laser engrave a pirate looking out of both sides. On the inside I have other cool graphics added which I think looks cool. I also added some hardware so they can easily be removed if needed and then put back on. Purchased to anchors and chain along with all new lines for the sails, anchor lines etc.. Purchased 4 black dock bumpers. Replaced wooden piece over the keel wench with a nice piece of mahogany along with the piece of wood that the motor attaches to. Black cup holders all around the cockpit. Added wiring complete with fuse block for battery use including battery switch for using two batteries. Purchased 3 black mesh sail bags for the 3 sails which works nice because it allows them to dry if any of the lines are wet. Interior plank looking wallpaper for cabin. I replaced the shear pin for the keel with some brass 10-24 threaded rod and purchased two large 10-24 threaded handles to make it easier to remove and replace the keel shear pin. Home-center items. Works great. Sorry for the long post. I won't even get into what I've done with the trailer which is from about 1960 but looks brand new. (Mostly is but the frame) Any questions feel free to contact me. It's been a pleasure to sail as well as work on it. Mitch  

Goatman24 said: Hello, I first purchased a Siren in the mid 1990's and sailed Lake Erie and some inland lakes for years. A couple years ago I purchased my current Siren to teach my grand daughter how to sail. I purchased a Siren again because I was familiar with the previous one. When I purchased mine I bought it from someone in Canada and met him at the border and was able to get a better price because of the exchange rate. It saved me several hundred dollars. I think I paid about $2500 for mine but it wasn't in the best of shape and I ended up using another trailer I had instead of the one it came with. I enjoy adding a lot of improvements to it though I'd probably cringe if I kept track of all I've spent over the past few years. Came with the original main and jib sail which I still use. It cleaned up nicely and I've added a lot to it since then. It's a great boat to sail for me. I do have the manual etc. that came with mine. I believe mine was built in 1979 though. I'm guessing there isn't too much different about it. I don't think most come with the boom tent though that is something you could have made easy enough. Two can sleep in the cabin as is. Some of the things I've added include: All new cushions both for inside the cabin and out in the cockpit. New 6hp Mercury motor. New semi-spinnaker sail. Replaced all teak wood hand rails and door trim with Corian. I think it looks better and doesn't need to be re-finished ever. Corian table inside the cabin with Sony stereo system mounted underneath and two speakers on both sides of the cabin entrance. We decided to make it look like a pirate ship so we added canon ports to the sides, anchor and other graphics for the fun of it. When your boat looks like a pirate ship it makes it so you don't have to worry about every little scratch or dirt mark because it kind of goes with the what we're trying to make it look like. I added some 1/8" wooden plywood port covers and had a company laser engrave a pirate looking out of both sides. On the inside I have other cool graphics added which I think looks cool. I also added some hardware so they can easily be removed if needed and then put back on. Purchased to anchors and chain along with all new lines for the sails, anchor lines etc.. Purchased 4 black dock bumpers. Replaced wooden piece over the keel wench with a nice piece of mahogany along with the piece of wood that the motor attaches to. Black cup holders all around the cockpit. Added wiring complete with fuse block for battery use including battery switch for using two batteries. Purchased 3 black mesh sail bags for the 3 sails which works nice because it allows them to dry if any of the lines are wet. Interior plank looking wallpaper for cabin. I replaced the shear pin for the keel with some brass 10-24 threaded rod and purchased two large 10-24 threaded handles to make it easier to remove and replace the keel shear pin. Home-center items. Works great. Sorry for the long post. I won't even get into what I've done with the trailer which is from about 1960 but looks brand new. (Mostly is but the frame) Any questions feel free to contact me. It's been a pleasure to sail as well as work on it. Mitch Click to expand...

It looks like this is the Siren Q&A thread so here is my question. How does one secure the Tack to the gooseneck? I have attached a few photos to show what my Siren looks like around the tack. I suspect the solution involves that hook shaped thing on the gooseneck, but I don't see how. I also don't know what the loop of string holding the cotter pin is for. I am also curious about whether or not these boats use a cunningham, as I don't see a grommet for one or anywhere to secure one on the mast. Thank you  

Mitch, I'm currently trying to get new cushions for my siren. Where did you get yours? Did you just make new ones or buy them somewhere?  

Your best best is to ask over at the Siren Owners Group. You will have to ask for permission to join the group, but it only take a day or so to get in. Very good info there although the site is a bit antiquated. I cannot post a link yet, but I can post a photo with the url in it.  

Boleu:You can adjust tension on the mainsail luff by moving the gooseneck up or down on the track attached to the mast. This obviates the need for a cunningham.  

I have had a Siren 17 for years. The swing keel has a hinge bolt and a bolt that holds the keel all the way down. I use the winch regularly to adjust the position of the keel. Upwind, I let it all the way down. Downwin, I wind it up most of the way. I never bolt the keel down because we are in a shallow lake. I dont know what would happen if I hit bottom with the keel bolted down but it wouldn't be pretty. I use a boat hoist so usually drop the swing keel a few inches once I'm on the lift to provide a bit of extra security if a big wave comes along I take the mainsail off when I am not sailing so use the topping lift to keep the boom up. That way, I can tighten up the main sheet and the boom doesn't swing in the wind. The furler on the job works good but you have to put a few turns after the sail is furled and tie everything tightly or you will have to buy a new job sail like I did a few years back. I put a kick up on the rudder down line so that if I hit bottom with the rudder, it releases and doesn't tear the corner off the rudder. Since I usually single hand, I was concerned about getting back onto the boat if I fell off or if the kids wanted to dive and swim back. The only place I could find for a flip down ladder was in the starboard, just aft of the pulpit. I put a rope that hangs a foot off the water to allow me to pull the ladder down if I'm in the water. I also tie the painter to my life jacket back loop when I get caught out in rough weather. It should swing the boat, bow to the wind if I fell overboard and give me a chance to catch her. This is all probably common sense but it's just things I discovered. Hope it helps.  

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17 ft day sailor

Block Island, Rhode Island

Length 17.0

Posted Over 1 Month

Easy to sail 17 ft Siren day sailor. On Block Island, R I. New Harbor mooring available. Options include trailer for $150 and Johnson 6 HP outboard with very low hours.

SIREN 17 SAILBOAT AND KARAVAN TRAILER

Bethany Beach, Delaware

Model SIREN

Category Daysailer Sailboats

1985 SIREN SAILBOAT AND KARAVAN TRAILER, GOOD CONDITION, SIDE WINDOWS HAVE SOME CRACKS, SAILS IN GOOD CONDITION, MAST AND BOOM GOOD CONDITION, CUSHIONS IN CABIN, AND A PORT-A-POTTY, THE SAILS ARE IN GOOD CONDITION, THE CUSHIONS HAVE 4 OR 5 SMALL RIPS, THE RUDDER HAS NO CRACKS OR DINGS NEEDS REFINISHING, THERE IS A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SEAT AND THE FLOOR- NEEDS TO BE REGLUED, SEE PICTURES, THE TRAILER IS IN FAIR CONDITION AND THE TIRES SHOW SOME DRY ROT BUT THEY DO HOLD THE AIR, THE TRAILER HAS PASSED INSPECTION 4/29/15, WE WILL FURNISH THE BILL OF SALE FOR THE BOAT AND TRAILER AND THE WE HAVE THE TITLE FOR THE TRAILER..THE BOAT AND TRAILER IS BEING SOLD AS IS. THE BOAT HAS NOT GONE UNDER RECENT SURVEY ON THE HULL. I AM SELLING THE BOAT FOR REHOBOTH BAY SAILING ASSOCIATION IN STATE OF DELAWARE. I AM SELLING AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR RBSA. THE SAILBOAT AND TRAILER . RBSA,38767 REHOBOTH BAY SAILING ASSOCIATION LANE, DEWEY BEACH, DE 19971 ANY QUESTIONS CALL 302-537-2141 OR 201-745-5934 ASK FOR DON-MANAGER

1987 Siren sailboat with motor and trailer

Scituate, Massachusetts

For sale a 1987,Vandestad Siren sailboat 17 feet long. Comes with 1987 Load Rite Lil Rider Trailer, 1987 Yamaha 4HP Long Shaft Outboard Gas Motor, anchor and line, and coastguard approved floatations device. Asking 2000.00or best offer. It is worth more around 5,500.00, but my father just wants to sell it. He bought it for him and my mom to enjoy but my mom got sick and passed away before they got to use it. The boat is parked in our neighbors yard and they are ready for it to go as well! Boat and engine are in great condition, trailer is in ok condition. Like I said 2000.00or best offer! It also has a small cabin. Email me if you would like to set up a time to come see it. Thank you!

1974 Vandestadt and McGruer Siren 17

Ardmore, Pennsylvania

This listing includes everything you need to sail. Everything in the pictures is included (both electric and gas outboard motor). It has only been sailed a handful of times. Hull Type: Swing Keel Rig Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 17.17' / 5.23m LWL: 15.00' / 4.57m Beam: 6.67' / 2.03m Listed SA: 139 ft2 / 12.91 m2 Draft (max.) 4.25' / 1.30m Draft (min.) 0.67' / 0.20m Disp. 750 lbs./ 340 kgs. Ballast: 130 lbs. / 59 kgs. SA/Disp.: 26.99 Bal./Disp.: 17.35% Disp./Len.: 99.21 Designer: Hubert Vandestadt Builder: Vandestadt & McGruer Ltd. (CAN) Construct.: FG Bal. type: Iron First Built: 1974 Last Built: 1987 # Built: 3200 RIG DIMENSIONS KEY I: 17.00' / 5.18m J: 6.00' / 1.83m P: 22.00' / 6.71m E: 8.00' / 2.44m PY: EY: SPL: ISP: SA(Fore.): 51.00 ft2 / 4.74 m2 SA(Main): 88.00 ft2 / 8.18 m2 Total(calc.)SA: 139.00 ft2 / 12.91 m2 DL ratio: 99.21 SA/Disp: 26.99 Est. Forestay Len.: 18.03' / 5.49m BUILDERS (past & present) More about & boats built by: Vandestadt and McGruer Ltd. (CAN) DESIGNER More about & boats designed by: Hubert Vandestadt

2024 Godfrey Pontoons Xperience 1880 CX

Duncannon, Pennsylvania

Make Godfrey Pontoons

Model Xperience 1880 CX

Length Deck

Posted 1 Week Ago

SOLD Harris/PAC Powered by a Yamaha F70LA four stroke outboard. Graphics - Low Band Silver Matte Pearl Lighting; LED Docking Lights Rail Frame Color - Anodized Silver Rail Skin - Full Height Rail Skin Color - Charcoal Rub rail; Aluminum - Silver Flooring Full - Platinum Weave Base Vinyl Color - Warm Gray Interior Changing Room Chaise - Black Vinyl Accent Color - Glacier Windscreen Snap on playpen cover Yamaha Pre-rig. Note: Trailer, inbound freight fee, dealer prep, sales tax, license all additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan.

2023 Godfrey Pontoons Monaco 235 SB iMPACT + 29 in. Center Tube

Model Monaco 235 SB IMPACT + 29 In. Center Tube

Length 23' 0"

Closeout, only one at this price. Selling this unit at Dealer Invoice plus prep, batteries and stainless propeller. Trailer is not included in the price. Add ($6,785.00) Triple Tube with 27" outer tubes and the 29" Center Impact Tube for ultimate performance, Yamaha high performance, V-Max SHO 225, Full underdeck skin with inside skirting and lifting strakes, Dual Batteries with switch, Fire Extinguisher, Black canvas including Full cover, Integrated rear platform extensions, In floor center tube storage, Solid keel strips. LED docking lights, Quick release fender locks 6 receivers and 3 rings, Black anodized rails, Saltwater edition with anodes, ski tow bar, stainless steel fixed cleats, lakeport plank flooring, Lunar Grey soft base vinyl, quilted recliner captains chair with swivel slider and fold down arms, Changing room, SS cupholders throughout upgrade, (2) movable cupholders, Quilting accents Throughout all seating, Quilted recliner co-captains chair matching Captain chair, Table upgrade to dual pedestal rectangle table, wicker wrapped seat boxes, Simrad GO7 XSE Touchscreen Fishfinder/chartplotter, Elevated helm platform, Multi function GPS gauges, Marine Mat, Sea Star hydraulic steering with tilt wheel, Fushion Apollo Silver DSP with 4 upgraded RGB speakers chrome grills, sirius satellite upgrade, upgraded steering wheel, windscreen, wireless phone charger, Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is Dealer Cost, expires 03-31-2024. Trailer is not included in price. Sales tax and license fees additional as applies.

2023 Hurricane SunDeck Sport 185 OB

Make Hurricane

Model SunDeck Sport 185 OB

Length 18' 5"

$1,000.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. NOTE: Ours includes an aluminum single axle trailer with brakes. Options Include: Bimini Top and boot, Full Hull Color white, LED docking lights, Built In helm seat, Tilt wheel, Fusion Stereo with 4 speakers, Yamaha Pre rig, Stainless steel Upgrade II package: SS rubrail, SS cupholders, Pull up cleats, SS fuel cap, SS grab handles, Boat cover in Monaco blue, canopy with aluminum frame, Monaco Blue canvas, ski tow bar, fixed, deck tape is Monaco blue, hull graphics Monaco blue, base vinyl is gray, Monaco blue seat accent color, Yamaha 115 Four Stroke and a Load Rite 5 Star aluminum Trailer with spare. Freight/dealer prep, sales tax and tags additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2023 Hurricane SS185OB

Model SS185OB

$1,000.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. Ours includes an aluminum single axle trailer with brakes. Beautiful Monaco Blue full hull color, matching deck tape, base vinyl color is gray, Monaco blue vinyl accent, Coastal Edition, Yamaha F115LB four stroke outboard, fire extinguisher, LED docking lights, ski tow bar, (fixed) Marine Mat snap in, gray with black lines, cockpit and swim platform, bow dinette table, (stowable) in dash depth gauge, tilt steering, stereo Fusion, RA60 bluetooth, app ready, AUX, 4- speakers, Yamaha rigging components, and fuel/water separator, Stainless Steel upgrade package II, SS rubrail, (white) SS cupholders, pull up SS cleats, SS fuel cap, SS grab hold handles, snap on boat cover, sun canopy with aluminum frame, Load Rite aluminum, single axle trailer with brakes. Unit in stock, now on display indoors. Freight/dealer prep, sales tax and license fees additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2023 Hurricane SD187OB

Model SD187OB

Length 18' 10"

$1,000.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. NOTE: Ours includes a single axle aluminum trailer with brakes, Top hull band in black, middle hull is white, bottom hull is black, deck tape and hull graphics in shadow gray, base vinyl is sport ice gray, accent vinyl is coordinate gray, 25 quart cooler, fire extinguisher, pitch black boat cover, stainless steel canopy frame with boot, black canvas top, LED docking lights, fixed ski tow bar, silver windshield frame, bow fill in cushion option, single wide bucket seat with bolster, stern mount dinette table, (white) in dash depth finder, GPS speedometer, phone holder, hydraulic steering with tilt wheel, stereo Fusion RA210 Bluetooth/App ready/AUX and four chrome speakers, Yamaha rigging components, and fuel/water filter system, Full Spectrum Package, Red/Green/Blue underwater lights and Red/Green/Blue speakers, stern wash down, dual battery with switch, Stainless Steel Upgrade Package II, (SS rub rail in black, SS cupholders, pull up cleats, SS fuel cap, SS canopy frame,) Marine Mat: Snap in gray with black lines, cockpit only, Shadow gray hull graphics, Yamaha F150XB four stroke power. Single axle aluminum trailer with disc brakes, polished stainless propellers, Deposit required to reserve a unit. Freight/dealer prep, sales tax, license fees additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2023 Hurricane SunDeck 187 OB

Model SunDeck 187 OB

$1,000.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. NOTE: Ours includes a single axle aluminum trailer with brakes, Options include: 25Qt Cooler, Fire Extinguisher, Shadow Grey cover, Coastal Edition, Full Hull Color, Shadow grey hull graphics, LED docking lights, ski tow bar, Underwater lights blue, Silver windshield fram, Cockpit marine mat snap in grey Base vinyl grey, bow sun lounge cushion, single wide helm seat with bolster, Ster table, Depthfinder dash built in, phone holder, Hydraulic sea star steering with tilt wheel, Fushion stereo with 4 speakers, upgraded steering wheel, Yamaha Pre rig, Fishing package; 1 seat, rod storage clips, trolling motor harness kit w/plug. Preferred option group; Boat cover, stern wash down, dual battery switch, Stainles upgrade package II: SS rubrail, SS cupholders, pull up cleats (4), SS canopy frame, Yamaha F150, Load Rite 5 Star Aluminum Trailer. Freight/dealer prep, sales tax/tags all additional Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2023 Godfrey Pontoons SW2086FX

Model SW2086FX

Length 20' 11"

$1,000.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. SW2086FX Metallic navy colored fencing, base vinyl interior is Platinum Gray, anodized silver rail frame and canopy frame, manual canopy with navy canvas and boot, full fit play pen cover in nay blue, outside pontoon skirting, trolling harness kit with plug and half bow gate, 25" diameter pontoons, EZ climb boarding ladder, upgraded rub rail, silver, stainless steel fixed cleats, Full vinyl flooring, Platinum Weave, Captain's chair upgrade, swivel, slider, reclining, fold down arm rests, 10" fixed pedestal, privacy changing room, 1 movable cup holder set, aerated livewell, round dinette table with built in cup holders, standard bow fishing seats with 13' fixed pedestals, standard rear fishing seats with 15" fixed pedestals, Extreme steering system with tilt wheel, stereo Fusion with two speakers, helm windscreen, Yamaha rigging components with water/fuel filter kit. Deposit required to reserve a boat. Now on display indoors. Trailer, freight, dealer prep, sales tax and license fees not included. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2024 Godfrey Pontoons Xperience 1886 CX

Model Xperience 1886 CX

$500.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. Powered by a Yamaha F70LA four stroke outboard. Build as follows: Playpen cover - Black Motor Pan: Upgrade (Engine HP higher than 90) Graphics - Low Band Silver Matte Pearl Lighting; LED Docking Lights Rail Frame Color - Anodized Silver Changing Privacy Room Rail Skin - Full Height Rail Skin Color - Navy Rub rail; Aluminum - Silver Ski Tow Bar Flooring Full - Platinum Weave Base Vinyl Color - Warm Gray Interior Captain's chair upgrade; swivel; slider; reclining; fold down arms with 10" fixed pedestal Vinyl Accent Color - Glacier Steering; Extreme Steering with Tilt Wheel Windscreen Wireless Phone Charger - Gimbal Mount Yamaha Pre-rig Deposit required to reserve a boat. Photo is a file picture. Not actual. Price is boat and motor only. Trailer, inbound freight fee, dealer prep, sales tax, license fees all additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2024 Godfrey Pontoons Xperience 2086 CX

Model Xperience 2086 CX

$500.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. Powered by a Yamaha F90LB four stroke outboard. Playpen cover - Black Motor Pan: Upgrade (Engine HP higher than 90) Graphics - Low Band Silver Matte Pearl Lighting; LED Docking Lights Rail Frame Color - Anodized Silver Rail Skin - Full Height Rail Skin Color - Oceanside Rub rail; Aluminum - Silver Ski Tow Bar Flooring Full - Platinum Weave Base Vinyl Color - Warm Gray Interior Vinyl Accent Color - Glacier Steering; Extreme Steering with Tilt Wheel Windscreen Wireless Phone Charger - Gimbal Mount Yamaha Pre-rig Trailer, inbound freight fee, dealer prep, sales tax, license all additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2024 Godfrey Pontoons Xperience 1886 FX

Model Xperience 1886 FX

$500.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. Yamaha F70LA four stroke outboard. Playpen cover - Black Graphics - Low Band Silver Matte Pearl Lighting; LED Docking Lights Rail Frame Color - Anodized Silver Rail Skin - Full Height Rail Skin Color - Oceanside Rub rail; Aluminum - Silver Flooring Full - Platinum Weave Base Vinyl Color - Warm Gray Interior Captain's chair upgrade; swivel; slider; reclining; fold down arms with 10" fixed pedestal Vinyl Accent Color - Glacier Windscreen Wireless Phone Charger - Gimbal Mount Yamaha Pre-rig Price is boat and motor only. Trailer, inbound freight charge, dealer prep, sales tax, license fees all additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

2024 Godfrey Pontoons Xperience 2286 SBX Sport Tube 27 in. Package

Model Xperience 2286 SBX

$500.00 Regional Rebate, Expires April 15th. Powered by a Yamaha F150LC "new" internal hydraulic steering system, four stroke, build as follows: Canopy; Manual Double w/ Protective Boot - Black Playpen cover - Black Under deck Skin with Inside Skirting Graphics - Low Band Silver Matte Pearl Lighting; LED Docking Lights Rail Frame Color - Anodized Silver Rail Skin - Full Height Rail Skin Color - Black Rub rail; Silver w/ black vinyl Insert Saltwater Anode; 3 Tubes Ski Tow Bar Flooring Full - Platinum Weave Base Vinyl Color - Warm Gray Interior Captain's chair upgrade; swivel; slider; reclining; fold down arms with 10" fixed pedestal Changing Room Chaise - Black Vinyl Accent Color - Glacier Steering; Seastar Hydraulic with Tilt Wheel Windscreen Wireless Phone Charger - Gimbal Mount Yamaha Pre-rig 27" Sport Tube (OB): 25" Outer Tubes with 27" sport tube, Lifting Strakes; Standard motor pan and fuel tank; Heavy Duty Channels. Trailer is optional. Price is boat and motor only. Inbound freight, dealer prep, sales tax, license fees, all additional. Special Boat Show Warranty Offering by Yamaha Marine: 3 + 2 year, extended Y.E.S. service contract free. Expires March 31, 2024. Also, ask about the Special Siren 3 Pro offering with paid subscription plan. Price advertised is our 2024 BOAT SHOW PRICING, expires 04-15-2024.

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1979 Vanderstadt & McGruen, Siren 17

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Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale Vanderstadt & McGruen, Siren 17, 1979 sailboat for sale day sailer/overnighter 6 ft beam, 4 ft draft swing keel complete ready to sail, with trailer, brand new custom sails, old sails, furler, all safety gear, all rigging and equipment ready. Two working outboards, electric trolling and 5 hp gas, new battery with solar trickle charger, sail covers, cabin sleeps 2 with pump out head, lights interior and exterior, cleaning supplies, complete tool box, original owner’s manual, much more.

Great boat! Must sell.

Cave Creek, Arizona

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

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CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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Israel-Hamas war latest: Hamas number three killed, US says - as video shows anguish after Israel's raid on hospital

The US has said Israel killed Hamas number three Marwan Issa in an operation last week. Meanwhile, the Israeli military claims 20 Hamas fighters were killed and dozens of suspects arrested in a raid on Gaza's al Shifa hospital - which the health ministry described as a war crime.

Tuesday 19 March 2024 10:55, UK

• Israel-Hamas war

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• US says Hamas number three Marwan Issa killed by Israel
• Alistair Bunkall: Death is a big success for Israel
• IDF soldiers raid al Shifa hospital in Gaza City
• Screams of anguish in video showing aftermath of Israel's raid on hospital
• Several killed as hospital on fire, say Palestinian health officials
• Journalist 'beaten and detained' in raid
• Michael Clarke : Israel under pressure as evidence grows it is committing systematic war crimes
• Watch: Israel films storming of hospital by drone | What video tells us about the raid
• Biden speaks to Israeli PM - their first call in 32 days

That's all for this evening, but we'll be back tomorrow with regular updates and analysis.

Scroll down to read what happened during the day.

Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau has joined those to express their concern about Israel's planned assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah.

Mr Trudeau was speaking with Israeli war cabinet member Benny Gantz on Monday.

A statement from Mr Trudeau's office said he had "shared his concern" around the planned offensive "and the severe humanitarian implications for all civilians taking refuge in the area".

"He underscored the need to increase the volume of life-saving humanitarian aid for civilians and to ensure aid reaches all those in need, safely and without delay."

Christopher Lockyear, from Doctors Without Borders says any attack on Rafah would be "a disaster upon a disaster".

He tells the camera he is travelling through part of Rafah "which is incredibly crowded - we've been moving at a snail's pace for the last 10-15 minutes or so".

"There are people everywhere, there are tents and makeshift shelters to the left and right of me and there are kids literally everywhere, which is a real shock."

Mr Lockyear said: "Clearly any ground invasion into Rafah would be an absolute catastrophe.

"It doesn't bear thinking about."

As we have been reporting today, the situation in Gaza is becoming increasingly desperate, with children now starving to death in the enclave.

The UN has said famine is imminent, and the head of its  Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief body, Martin Griffiths, has condemned world leaders for failing to prevent the current state of affairs.

"Famine is imminent in Gaza," he said.

"More than one million people are at risk because they have been cut off from life-saving aid, markets have collapsed and fields have been destroyed.

"The international community should hang its head in shame for failing to stop this.

"We must flood Gaza with food and other life-saving aid. There is no time to lose.

"I renew my call to the Israeli authorities to allow complete and unfettered access for humanitarian goods.

"We know that once a famine is declared, it is way too late. We also know that, with action and goodwill, it can be averted."

This is footage filmed by a Sky News team near the al Shifa hospital earlier today.

Israel raided the hospital for the second time during the war, accusing Hamas of using it as a base.

Israel said it had killed more than 20 gunmen in the operation.

The hospital was Gaza's largest before the war and is now one of the only healthcare facilities that is even partially operational in the territory's north.

It has also been housing displaced civilians.

Israel's prime minister has agreed to send a team of officials to Washington DC so "an alternative approach" can be discussed with regards to Israel's plans for Rafah.

The news comes from US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, who was speaking after a call between Joe Biden and Benjamin Netanyahu.

The team will include military intelligence and humanitarian officials but it was not clear when they would travel to the US.

Israel said last weekend that it planned to launch an assault on Rafah, but there is growing concern about the safety of civilians in the city - where more than one million people fled to after being ordered to evacuate other parts of Gaza by Israel.

The call between the two leaders also comes amid US frustration with Israel's conduct during the war, including accusations that it has prevented from getting into the enclave.

Mr Sullivan said a major ground offensive would be a "mistake" and would "further isolate Israel internationally".

Bearing in mind that Rafah is a primary entry point for aid from Egypt and Israel, he said an invasion would also "shut that down or at least put it at grave risk right at the moment when it is sorely needed".

Looking across the rest of Gaza, Mr Sullivan said a "humanitarian crisis" had descended.

"Anarchy reigns in areas that Israel's military has cleared but not stabilised," he said.

The death of Marwan Issa is a big success for Israel, writes  Middle East correspondent Alistair Bunkall .

First reported a week ago by the Jerusalem Post after an air strike in central Gaza, there was no official confirmation until tonight.

It's unclear why the US confirmed his death before Israel.

Issa is the deputy Commander of Hamas's military wing and would have been involved in the planning of the October 7th attacks. He is normally regarded as the number three in Hamas.

Issa has the nickname "shadow man" for his ability to evade Israeli forces.

The whereabouts of Hamas's leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, remains unknown, likewise Mohammed Deif, the commander of the military wing.

It's thought they might be hiding in the southern city of Rafah, one reason why Israel wants to send ground troops in, though if Issa was located in central Gaza then it's possible others might be there too.

The US says Israel killed Hamas number three Marwan Issa in an operation last week.

Sky News has approached the IDF for confirmation but their response was: "The IDF has no comment on the matter."

When we covered reports of the death on 11 March, Israeli military spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari had said they were awaiting confirmation.

Below is the last-known photo of Issa, taken at a 2015 security conference organised by a Hamas-aligned organisation.

For those following the situation in the Middle East, one of the big questions is when - or if - Israel will launch its assault on Rafah.

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said during the weekend that the assault was still necessary to "eliminate the remaining terrorist battalions in Rafah".

But for those who are trying to arrange aid deliveries - and those who are desperately waiting for them - the lack of certainty is already risking lives.

United Nations humanitarian coordinator Jamie McGoldrick said aid operations in Gaza cannot be planned more than two or three days ahead at the moment because of the instability and uncertainty.

"It would be a really difficult scenario for us to envisage the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people being forced from Rafah because of the incursion.

"We are not in a position to contingency plan that. We're not in a position to pre-position shelter, material, food, medical supplies and especially water... It will be a real problem for us." 

Why does this matter?

It is already extremely difficult to get aid into Gaza due to the security situation and Israeli restrictions.

In desperation, a small group of countries has resorted to dropping aid from the air and deliveries have finally been arriving by sea - but neither of these makes up for the capacity that should be brought in by road.

And, as has been confirmed today, the need is immense - the UN says famine is "imminent" in northern Gaza and people in the rest of the enclave are struggling to access food.

Mr McGoldrick said: "If there was to be an incursion, that (aid) system we have, which is already precarious and intermittent, would then be broken."

Middle East correspondent Alistair Bunkall  is in Jerusalem and says the US and Israeli leaders would have had a lot to discuss during their 45-minute call.

"We have seen over recent weeks, in the absence of communication between the two leaders, quite a public spat between Israel and Washington, the US president making it very clear that he is not happy with the way that this war is being fought and the lack of humanitarian aid that is getting into Gaza.

"For his part, the Israeli prime minister has been defiant and adamant that Israel will pursue its war aims, specifically, the release of all the hostages and the elimination of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. If that means going into the southern city of Rafah, then that is what the Israelis plan to do."

Over the weekend we learnt that Israel is still planning to push ahead with an assault on Rafah, in Gaza's south.

The US, Israel's staunchest ally, has said it will not support such an operation without the Israelis presenting a credible plan to ensure the safety of civilians.

Bunkall said an assault on Rafah does not seem to be imminent but that the world is "increasingly concerned that Israel is gearing up for it", with all of the humanitarian consequences that could have.

Meanwhile, ceasefire talks have resumed in Qatar, with a senior Israeli delegation flying there today.

"The expectation is that they might take a long time, maybe a couple of weeks if they're going to be successful.

"But Hamas has lowered its demands, Israel is still saying that are being unrealistic in what they are expecting. But there is certainly, it seems, room for negotiation. And as long as that stays the case, then there will remain hope that a new ceasefire deal can be agreed at some point."

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