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Condition is not the only concern There is a very nice ferro-cement 40' in our club that has been for sale for a couple of years for a good price. It is owned by an older couple (he is close to 80 I think) who keep very good care of the boat. Several people have wanted to buy the boat but backed off because they could not get insurance coverage. It is a shame because it is a lot of boat for the money.
I've considered ferrocement boats in the past, and insurance is an issue, mainly because most surveyors won't or can't give a good hull survey. That boat appears to be in good shape, but I've seen it on craigslist before and as I recall he's asking too much for it; somewhere around 20K and the engine needs machine shop work? I don't know...
I have heard it said that that only one in ten ferros are worth owing, but that one will likely outlive the owner and will be the best boat bargain going. I looked briefly at them for world cruising as a couple of authors I like have had them. But in the end I realized that the skill of the builders of ferros in the '70s and '80s was too dodgy and irregular to risk not only my boat kitty, but my safety. Good luck, but the fact is that I see more ferros being jackhammered into rubble these days than I've ever seen on the water.
Try here for info and links to ferro owners and builders: http://cruisingresources.com/Ferrocement_Construction
Don't fall in love with the first boat you find. Here are some 1970s 40 foot boats recently from eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973...0QQihZ008QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Didn't sell at $6500 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/40-A...2QQihZ013QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sold for $10K http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Morg...3QQihZ002QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sold for $12.6K http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986...7QQihZ013QQcategoryZ63731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Didn't sell at $12K If beam is 12 feet or under you can get a boat trucked to you for about $3 per mile. (Wider costs more.) There are lots of projects out there. Don't pay too much for yours. A fiberglass boat as a few advantages over ferrocement. They're much lighter, so they're more fun to sail. They're lighter so you use smaller sails, rigging, winches, etc., for a given size of boat. Surveyors can inspect them so insurance companies can write you a policy. And, when you're done with it, there's a much bigger pool of potential buyers out there. Have fun, Tim
Not many surveyors have a good background in ferrocement construction, and many can not adequately survey a ferro boat. Insurance is a problem, especially with the home-built ones. Also, maintenance is higher from what I have seen...and any moisture ingress into the hull will cause the steel wire or mesh to corrode, which causes it to expand, and damage the surrounding cement.
Personally - I like the good ones a lot, but there are unique issues associated with owning one. Insurance, survey, repair, finishing, grounding... If you get lucky and find a sound hull, you will get the strongest, most durable craft around. Determining whether or not it's a sound hull is so expensive that you can probably find something comparable in GRP for the same outlay. Re-sale will be a big problem. If there was a decent market for them - Hartley and Samson would still be building them. http://www.ferrocement.org/
Altair Hello, I am the owner of the boat mentioned at the start of this thread. PM me should you wish further details. Edited/Cam
It has been writen in a lot of cruising articals that when entering a distant exotic location the writer was surprised by the large number of ferro boats . Insurance is not a big issue as many cruisers do not have full insurance. Good luck and enjoy your ferro boat.
Nicolas..advertising one's boat within the forum is not permitted. I have edited your post accordingly. Anyone who is interested can PM you for details. Good luck!
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Ferro-Cement Anyone?
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I have been dreamily eyeballing what appears to be a very nice sailboat for sale on Craigslist that is ferro-cement. There are MANY questions that need to be answered about this boat so I will start here with the first one: Is ferro cement construction any good? How does is compare to fiberglass? What should one look for when judging the quality of the construction of a ferro-cement boat? Should I just move on?
The World of Ferroboats
Will Gilmore
The more steel in the construction of a ferro cement boat the stronger, so you would do well to consider a steel boat. -Will (Dragonfly)
Captain Larry-DH
markwbird said: I have been dreamily eyeballing what appears to be a very nice sailboat for sale on Craigslist that is ferro-cement. There are MANY questions that need to be answered about this boat so I will start here with the first one: Is ferro cement construction any good? How does is compare to fiberglass? What should one look for when judging the quality of the construction of a ferro-cement boat? Should I just move on? Click to expand
Michael Davis
I’d want to know a little about the construction. Some have the rebar frame welded together, some just wired. I’ve seen wired ones poke holes in themselves. On the plus side , concrete is available everywhere for repairs and there are lots of concrete boats and ships out there.
Ferrocement boats can be nice. But there are several caveats. Who built it? There was a time period where it was quite the rage to make your own boat from this material. A serious difficulty with ferrocement is that there is no way to inspect the hull for defects. You can't check for moisture, cracks or any other defect that could be catastrophic, as far as I'm aware. Where is the hull from? When was it built? Where has it been? Has it has a significant impact? All are important questions to know the answers to. There are apparently some good ferrocement boats that were made in New Zealand and possibly Australia. I haven't followed that hull type with a lot of interest so I'm not totally up-to-date - primarily because I would never buy one. If the hull is homemade. I would very strongly discourage buying it. Was the boat built down under? If so, it might be a good one... The main difficulty from my perspective is you can't know the condition of the hull. For me that's a deal breaker. There are internal degradation processes in cement you can't detect. I'm sure you know that cement does not float at all... dj
Michael Davis said: there are lots of concrete boats and ships out there. Click to expand
Run run run awayyyyyyy
Will Gilmore said: My concern would be about the weathering and the stress of use a sailboat is subject to. Ocean waves, wind and rocking on the rigging anchor points, Winter ice, ... all work to undermine the cement bond on the aggregate material. Tiny stress cracks in the gel-coat of fiberglass doen't mean the underlying glass is weak, but with a concrete boat, any surface cracking could mean there is no more tensile strength left clear down to the armature. It requires an enormous amount of rigidity and strength of materials to keep a 40 foot hull from flexing in a stormy sea. I don't think concrete is up to the task for more than a few storms. I would want to see the bare concrete, no paint, especially around the keel, inside and out. Look for loosened chain plates, rudder post, deck to hull connections. Anywhere the weather beats on her and wherever she might be inclined to flex when coming down off a big wave with the mast whipping about. Cement boats are heavy and tend to be slow, not that that is a deal breaker for a sailboat. I'm just not a fan of the whole concept, but, like I said, no real personal experience. Good luck on you're quest. -Will (Dragonfly) Click to expand
Will Gilmore said: Are there? There was a small surge in construction in the 60s and early 70s, are any of those boats still around? Hi Will Not as many as glass or wood of coarse but we still see quite a few. Just the ones that were done right I’m sure. We even have a few “Liberty Ships” here that were built of ferro cement. Used as break waters now but still whole. That makes them older than me ( older than dirt ) Click to expand
It is, in fact, home built by a delivery skipper. He did an exceptional job by the photos. Here’s the funny part: it’s listed on Craigslist and on a broker’s site. Craigslist ad: “designed and built in backyard in Sausalito by owner over 15 years” Broker ad: “built in Sausalito in private yard to designers specs with designer overseeing construction” Both technically true.
I'm with DjL on this one. A properly built stone boat (cement) could last a hundred years without a problem. I saw one dig such a deep hole in the coral reef it ran onto in 5 days that it had to be craned out of it, yet it only put a 1' X 1' hole in the boat. It's all about the construction. Keeping the steel re-bar dry and rust free before concreting is paramount. If you could trace her lineage and be sure she was built by a reputable yard, then you could be getting the deal of a lifetime. If not you'll take your chances. If the boat is a goodly number of years old, it should be possible to visually sight the topsides for lumps and bumps that would indicate some rusting of the re-bar under the concrete. I doubt anybody would spend the money necessary to fair out an old stone boat just to sell it for under 10k. However, do not buy a Sampson designed stone boat. They are terrible designs that sail poorly and are extremely uncomfortable at sea. Good luck.
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There are so many good yachts without risky building techniques out there that can be found for a reasonable dollar, I can't understand how any ferro-cement yacht owner can find a buyer. The heavier the boat, the more sail necessary to drive the hull, the more momentum to overcome when docking, the larger the engine and fuel burn to run compared to a similar length yacht built in glass, wood, composite, aluminum or even steel. Trying to insure a ferro will be very difficult. That's fine if you don't mind losing your yacht in an accident, but if involved in an accident with another yacht, having no insurance could mean complete bankruptcy when the lawsuits start. In terms of weighted risks/rewards, the ferro yachts come up way short, even if the actual boat is lovely inside.
I would always worry that when, not if, the hull gets hairline cracks, and water reaches the steel, the repairs will be difficult, or the hull will eventually become unusable. With fiberglass boats so readily available and so proven to last, why bother messing with ferrocement? If it seems too good a deal to be true...
markwbird said: It is, in fact, home built by a delivery skipper. He did an exceptional job by the photos. Click to expand
While some of us are cautious or skeptical of ferro-cement hulls, it is worth remembering that ALL hull materials can have fatal flaws if not constructed properly. When considering aluminum, steel, cold molded wood, plank-on-frame, and fiberglass, it *always* depends on materials and labor skill. Moving up a (marketing) level, there are well known commercial boat builders at the "low end" of the market whose products have proved to be worse than many home-builts. (sigh...) So, before finalizing that purchase, get a survey. Your insurer is gonna insist on one anyhow.
Going with a boat built out of a fad product verse a more popular proven product is a choice. A good or a bad choice depending on your perspective. A ferroCement boat would require the owner to have some good DIY skills as there are few builders or yards with experience using the material. I knew a fellow in the early 70’s that built a 34 foot FerroCement boat in his back yard. He was all into the project. Had dinner with him and all he could talk about was the strength of the material and the ease of construction. The hull sat for over a year and a half. Then we lost touch with him. Not sure if it ever floated. Let us know what you decide. It is your money and your boat you get to wrestle with the decision.
FastOlson said: Your insurer is gonna insist on one anyhow. Click to expand
The US has been building built concrete ships since at least 1917. They were cheaper than their steel counterparts and they weighed less. However, this is not a new technology or untested. "The oldest known ferrocement watercraft was a dinghy built by Joseph-Louis Lambot in Southern France in 1848." I have seen some absolutely beautiful and very well built ferro boats and I can say for certain that very few people could identify them as ferro boats from more than a few feet away.
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- Boat REF# · 220214
- Length · 12.27m
- Year · 1974
- Construction · Ferro Cement
- Underwater profile · Long Keel
- Sleeping berths · 8
- Engine · 1 x diesel 28hp, Volvo Penta MD2040 ()
- Lying · Medway
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Reconditioned Volvo penta engine fitted approxmately 4 years ago with only 160 hours.
Ketch rigged Aluminium spars () with Stainless Steel standing rigging ()
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The hull on this yacht has been built in an approved, proven method for Ferro-Cement construction, as confirmed by the Lloyds register of shipping Ferro-Cement Hull release note, No.LON 401584, dated 10th October 1974, signed by E.R Theobald, surveyor to Lloyds Register of shipping and further confirmed by discussions with the designer, who confirmed the scantlings used to construct the hull armature of the yacht.
-Hull copper coated 2009
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2 burner propane Stove
2 sheet winches Manual windlass 2 anchors (CQR) 40.00m of chain Aries windvane self-steering system Eurovinil dinghy () (Inflatable) 0hp outboard, Mariner, Short shaft ()
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Cockpit- Clipper Depth sounder Raytheon speed
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These boat details are subject to contract. If your looking for a blue water cruiser or even a live aboard, this could be the boat for you. Just look at her spec and amount of accommodation space. She was designed by Christ Petre to be both rugged and attractive, She smells good, feels very homely and there is ample storage too. This is a very solid and robust yet elegant lady. A real eye-catcher when under sail, if you want to go round the world this appears to be a sea worthy blue water cruiser that will and has done just that! And at a great price this is a must see. Viewings highly recommended. Note: Offers on the asking price may be considered.
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SORRY, NOW SOLD! For more boats like this one that are currently for sale please go to Cruising Sailboats for Sale... The 'Shamaness' is a full keel, ketch rigged sailboat built in Taiwan in 1977. She was built of solid fibreglass in the hull, very heavily laid up as was the custom of the time. Blueprints list 5,000 pounds of keel ballast. I assume this to be cast iron. The hull shows no sign of water intrusion or blisters at anytime. A wineglass hull shape, makes her very sea-kindly, and her motion under sail is solid and stable. A staysail stay was added to give her better upwind performance (called a DOUBLE HEADSAIL ketch). Roomy salon and cockpit. 36 foot on deck with 4 foot bowsprit, 11’10” beam with Sitka Spruce mainmast (rebuilt with West System epoxy) and (Ballenger Spars) aluminum mizzenmast. Both booms are original Sitka spruce in very good condition. Northstar autopilot (with gyrocompass) and Octopus hydraulic ram drive, monitor windvane. The original 3/8" teak decks are in service but need a complete re-caulking. All original deck screws were removed, treated with penetrating epoxy and re-screwed ten years ago. A few plugs now need replacing. Several areas of the deck have become "spongy" or internally delaminating. I have repaired the foredeck and area near the companionway entrance with epoxy and large teak plugs with a very satisfactory result. The various layers of deck are tied together with epoxy now. (The deck original construction was very robust with a top layer of 3/8" teak, then layer of 1/8"+ fiberglass, then 3/4" of teak plywood and an inside or bottom layer of 1/8" fiberglass). All original portholes have been replaced with excellent quality NFM (New Found Metals) cast stainless steel opening ports. New condition sails include storm jib and trysail . The high-cut yankee jib, staysail, full-batten mainsail were recently built by Pineapple Sails in Alameda, California and are in very good condition. The full-batten mizzensail has been used sparingly and is also in very good condition. The mizzen staysail, cruising spinnaker and genoa are older but are serviceable. The 3JH3 Yanmar 40 h.p. diesel engine has 5,000 hours running time and is in very good condition (well-maintained, never overheated, never rebuilt). The transmission gearing is 2.8:1 making a slower, more efficient motoring R.P.M. for the large right-handed propellor. This combination makes the 'Shamaness' an excellent upwind motor-sailing sailboat in the often steep chop found in the Sea of Cortez. The 'Shamaness' engine is equipped with a 110 amp alternator and smart voltage regulator (with installed back-up heavy duty solid state voltage regulator) and 40 amp (110 volt) smart battery charger with back-up 12 amp automotive battery charger powered by Honda 1000 portable generator if needed.Two solar panels (75 amp, 60 amp) keep the batteries (4 new six volt golf cart batteries and one new 12 volt starting battery) charged at anchor for several days provided the sun shines all day. Two fuel tanks (32 gal aluminum and 25 gal fiberglass) provide plenty of diesel tankage for long voyages. Two water tanks (original stainless steel hold 100 gallons of freshwater). The interior TEAK paneling and solid teak doors are in good condition. Cushions very nice of sunbrella new 5 years ago. Most interior lights,the anchor light and the masthead Tricolor light are LED's. The head is electric (West Marine brand). Two electric bilge pumps are installed on a convenient to service stainless steel "tree" lowered into the bilge...each independently wired and plumbed. There is also a manual (whale) bilge pump. A Forespar stainless steel propane three burner stove with oven and broiler is installed in the galley. A Forespar propane cabin heater warms the sailboat in moderate cold weather. The water system is pressurized with an added foot pump in the gallery sink for dishwashing with seawater. Blue water Voyages: 1996 and 2003 Baja HaHa, Central America to Costa Rica, Hawaiian Islands, Queen Charlotte Islands, B.C. and 20 years extensive cruising in Sea of Cortez, Mexico Currently cruising in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Now on the hard at Marina Seca, San Carlos, Mexico. Offered with all cruising gear (Radar, two depthsounders, Monitor windvane, VHF radio w/ AIS receiver, dinghy, o/b motor, SSB radio w/ modem and tuner, many spares.
Watkins 36 Sailboat For Sale - just $10,000!!!
by Charlotte Nagle-Alexander (Brunswick, Georgia, USA)
Crossing Biscay
40' Salmo Salar Sailboat, Perfect Pacific NW/Alaska Cruiser
'Maid Jacqueline' , a Hillyard Classic Cutter for Sale
1983 36 ft Gulfstar sloop for sale
by Gerry and Dawn (Virgin Gorda)
Sailing the Maine Coast
Cabin looking fwd.
Galley looking aft
Dinette looking aft
- Tool box - with assorted tools, spare fuses and spark plugs. (stowed in starboard cockpit locker);
MAIA , a Pacific 38 in Langkawi
(Langkawi, Malaysia)
Taken in Abaco, 2014
- New Eliptical Rudder - 2015
- Cal 2-27 Blueprints -- Signed by Bill Lapworth
Finnrose 37 - Live aboard Cruising Sailboat. Ready to sail!
'Dulces Suenos' , Gulfstar Sailmaster 47 For Sale
'Ariadne' , a 1977 Nicholson 31
Saloon, looking forward
Long keel with cut-away forefoot
- Yanmar 2QM20 Diesel Engine 22hp - no problems at all;
- Yanmar engine spares - impellers, thermostat, belts etc;
- Volvo dripless shaft seal (2016) plus spare;
- Head room 6ft approximately;
- V berth fore cabin (converts to double);
- 2 saloon berths with lee cloths (2016) Quarter berth behind chart table;
- Headlining (renewed 2016);
- Saloon woodwork refurbished (2016) Excellent storage throughout;
- Opposite the galley is the full size chart table and starboard aft quarter berth;
- Secure battery stowage beneath chart table seat. opening hatches to forecabin and saloon;
- New LED lights throughout cabin;
- Both acrylic and wooden washboards for companionway;
- Side windows are tuffglass non crazing and very tough completely refurbished 2016 - leak free;
- 3 Dorade vents.
- 2 Lewmar 40 self-tailing winches in cockpit;
- 2 Lewmar 16 (one self-tailing for reefing the genoa & one on the mast);
- 1 Lewmar 8 (on the mast);
- All winches regularly serviced;
- Sprayhood (re-stitched 2016 in good condition with clear forward facing panels) Swim ladder lalizas stainless steel with discreet deck fittings;
- Teak grab handles on coach roof forward;
- Large cockpit locker with self-draining gas locker and spare bottle holder inside;
- Pulpit and Push Pit – Stainless Steel;
- Cockpit drains well through sensible scuppers;
- Stanchions and guard wires stainless;
- Fenders and warps in good condition and enough to satisfy marina mooring;
- Hatches re glazed in acrylic 2016, re-bedded and resealed no crazing and no leaks.
- 16kg Kobra anchor and 50m of 10mm chain + 30m of quadplait rope;
- 17kg CQR spare anchor;
- 8 kg grapnel for dinghy;
- 15m of 8mm chain for kedge or backup.
- 2016 Standing rigging;
- Z Spars keel stepped mast with mainsail furling (Can also be used with traditional slab reefing sail.) - Z Spars Boom;
- Easykick - solid Vang (as well as traditional cunningham);
- Profurl furling for genoa;
- Inner forestay;
- Crusader main sail, genoa & triple-stitch storm sail (all in good condition) Crusader cruising chute in sock, great condition;
- Cutter jib can be used on inner forestay;
- Spinnaker pole (stored against mast);
- All running rigging in good condition.
- Yanmar 2QM20 Diesel Engine 22hp - no problems at all. Yanmar engine spares - impellers, thermostat, belts etc Volvo dripless shaft seal (2016) plus spare. It is the original 1977 engine so we don't know the engine hours;
- Walker Bay 8ft dingy with wooden oars, fenders & anchor;
- Seago inflatable dingy 2.3m with oars, pump and repair kit. ok condition;
- Suzuki Dt 2.2hp outboard engine in good order;
- 2 220ah Lucas AGM Deep Cycle Batteries (new 2016) in excellent condition;
- 2 Solar Panels 100w (2016);
- Solar Charger - Victron Energy Blue Solar MPPt 75/15 (2016);
- Battery Charger - ProNauctic (same as sterling) 40amp battery charger (2016);
- Windlass - Simpson Lawrence S-l Highspeed (2016 gypsy upgraded for 10mm chain);
- New switch panel, electric buses and lots of new wiring (2016);
- LED lights throughout cabin (2016);
- LED Navigation lights (2016) Deck light;
- DSC VHF Icom IC-M323 (new 2016);
- Garmin GPSmap 4008 8 inch Chartplotter excellent condition;
- Secondary GPS Garmin GPS-65 (old);
- Many Garmin charts including Med, Caribbean and Americas - (negotiable);
- Handheld VHF Standard Horizon HX280E (2016) with charger and battery in excellent condition;
- Stowe Wind, Depth & Speed (working but could use an update ) Navico DS200 backup depth display above chart table;
- AIS Receiver (2016);
- Navtex (2016);
- Autohelm 2000 electric autohelm with wind sensor - older, but works great;
- Sony CD player with USB & bluetooth (2016);
- External waterproof speakers (2016) Internal Speakers;
- Eberspacher D2 cabin heater with ducting throughout the vessel;
- Both manual and pressurised water from main tank;
- Instant hot or cold water pressurised water to cockpit shower, heads basin and shower and galley sink;
- Taylor 043 - 2 burner gas cooker with oven & grill (suitable for both butane or propane);
- Fridge - Waeco Portable Fridge - CDF-18 (2016 );
- Gas water heater - Paloma. Feeds pressurised hot water to cockpit shower, heads and galley large well-insulated built-in cool box;
- In the saloon there is a large fold-out teak dining table.
Pearson 424 Sloop for sale
'Four Points' for Sale
Cruising sailboat 27 ft
Cabin facing aft
Saloon with convertible v-berth for sleeping
Cockpit with 9.8hp outboard engine and solar power battery charger
SORRY, NOW SOLD! For more boats like this one that are currently for sale please go to Cruising Sailboats for Sale... 'Four Points' is Easy to Maintain. Fun to Sail on Long Island Sound. Sails, Trailer and Gear Included! Made for cruising with friends and weekend getaways. Perfect for couples, families, first-time buyers. Spacious cabin comfortably sleeps six with plenty of room to relax and entertain. CABIN - refinished wood with high-gloss finish; - open cabin space: 6'2" standing headroom; - convertible V-berth and double aft berth with cushions for sleeping; - nav station (see electrical section below); - hanging locker; - plenty of storage space; - folding leaf table with cushioned seats for food and entertainment; - head is spacious and fully enclosed with shower, sink, vanity, towel rack, wooden shelving and cabinets; - galley includes a two-burner stovetop, ice chest, sink, and laminated countertops for easy clean-up; - freshwater tank with hot and cold water system. ENGINE / PROPULSION - 2002 Tohatsu 9.8hp outboard engine (fully rebuilt in 2015); - high-thrust propeller (improves performance and handling); - electric start engine, throttle, and shift controlled from cockpit; ELECTRICAL - solar powered battery charger eliminates need for shorepower; - LED cabin fixtures and running lights (white and red lighting for nighttime); - new breaker panel and upgrades to electrical system; - Raymarine Autopilot System; - Garmin Chart Plotter; - B&G VHF and wireless command mic with AIS receiver; - emergency tiller. EXTERIOR - non-skid deck with removable helmsman seat; - anchor well and cockpit storage; - stainless steel swimming ladder; - trailer, boat and instrument covers included. SAILS - Neil Pryde Sails Performance Cruising Dacron 4-batten mainsail in excellent condition; - Neil Pryde Sails Performance Cruising Dacron 135% genoa in excellent condition; - 0.5oz symmetrical spinnaker with bag in good condition; - hank-on 220% Drifter in good condition; - UK 110% Dacron working jib in good condition; - UK Dacron mainsail in good condition.
Bowman 40 Sailboat for Sale
by Steve Garlick (Port Napoleon)
Pavlov sailing
SORRY, NOW SOLD! This Bowman is being sold by live-aboards who have spent the last 5 years on her in the Med. All her systems have been upgraded, including new sails, new rigging, new anchoring gear, new generator and new dinghy. She is an ideal ocean cruiser, conveying her crew in perfect safely in the worst conditions. This Chuck Paine designed boat is a true classic, is easily managed by a couple and is a delight to sail. Pavlov is listed at GBP105,000. VAT is fully paid. She is currently located at Port Napoleon in the south of France. You may contact the owner with any questions or queries at [email protected]. Pavlov Inventory Specs Type: Bowman 40 Builder: Rival Bowman Ltd, Southampton UK Year: 1990 under Lloyds 100 A1 SOU914812 Hull Number: 21 Designer: Chuck Paine Keel: Scheel keel Rudder skeg Flag: Australian, but VAT paid and VAT status maintained. Berths: eight. Double berth in master cabin, double berth in aft cabin with lee cloths, two berths on saloon settee’s with lee cloths, 2 pull out pilot berths above settee’s with Bf 4 and Bf 8 settings. Dimensions LOA: 40 ft 0 in 12.17m Beam: 13 ft 0 in 3.87m LWL: 32 ft 0 in Draft: 5 ft 0 in 1.5m Mast height: 17.7m Displacement: 9000 kgs Ballast: 3300 kgs Engine Engine Brand: Perkins Year Built: 1990 Engine Model: Prima M50 Engine Type: Inboard Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel Engine Hours: 3500 (new internal hour meter 2016) Propellers: 3 blade Maxprop bronze slipstreaming propeller Spare 3 bladed fixed bronze propeller. Drive Type: Shaft Drive (new shaft 2015) with Aquamarine flex coupling and grease pump. Engine Power: 50 HP 4 cylinder Timing belt changed at 2000 (2008) and 3000 (2015) hours Rebuilt fuel pump, new lifter, new alternator (2015) New water injection elbow, reconditioned heat exchanger New gearbox 2013 New secondary fuel filter (Separ) Oil and all filters changed every 100 hours. All service records and logs. Engine service manuals. Cruising Speed: 7 knots @ 2200 rpm Maximum Speed: 8 knots Consumption: 3.0 L/hour Fuel range 600miles approx (100hrs @ 6K @ 3L/hr) Tanks Fresh Water Tanks: Stainless steel, deck fillers, breathers (550 Liters) Port tank 195 L Starboard tank 186 L Aft tank 91 L. Hart Tank tender capacity system. Saloon tanks feed pressure and foot pump. Aft tank is foot pump only. Extra storage 60 L bladders and 20 L jerry can Fuel Tank: Stainless steel (280 Liters) 50 L reserve in jerry cans Professionally cleaned 2015 Holding tanks: new 2013. Forward is 65L, electric pump out, deck or hull. Aft is 45L, manual (Henderson) pump out. All heads can switch from direct discharge to tank. Hull and Deck Built by Rival Bowman Yachts/ Southampton Boatyard Designed by Chuck Paine Built in full accordance to Lloyd’s Register +100A1 Class Long fin keel (Scheel Keel) Skeg hung rudder White GRP hull with teak deck Hull epoxy coated from new & then re-epoxied in 2013 (Gelshield) White hull All hatches and portlights by Lewmar. All hatches and portlights have flysceens. All hatches have Sunbrella covers. All Blakes seacocks serviced 2016, 2 replaced. Deck Gear 3 x Anchors one 25kg Rocna with 90m of chain (New 2015) One 15kg Fortress (New 2016) with chain and 70m octoplait rode One 30kg Danforth. Electric windlass by Lofrans 1700 with capstan (New 2016) Bimini new 2013 Sprayhood new 2013 with German Strataglass windows Full winter tent fully encloses the stern and cockpit. New 2013 Summer shade tent new 2013 Boarding Ladder – stainless steel and teak Guard rail side openings both sides and stern, Guard rails replaced 2012 Rear arch with 2 135w Kyocera solar panels, Victron 50A controller Davits, sliding with handy billy’s. Fibreglass passarelle with stern mount and guys. New 2014 1 Yamaha Malta 3.5hp petrol outboard for dinghy Rigging Cutter rig by Kemp (1990) aluminium mast and Selden (1997) single line reefing boom Deck-stepped mast with twin spreaders Double forestay and rigging overbuilt for circumnavigation Rod kicker Kemp Selden mast steps (1997) All Standing Rigging replaced 2013, Spare over length rigging and Stayloc connectors for replacement. Lazy jacks and stackpack mainsail stowage. 4 main reefs, 1st and 2nd to cockpit, single line. 3/4 reefs at mast. Yankee (Hood Seafurl) and staysail (Furlex 200S new 2013) furling systems 2 Kemp Spinnaker poles stowed vertically on mast Lewmar runners and Spinloc stoppers. Winches 1 x Lewmar 30ST Halyard winch – Self tailing 2 x Lewmar 30ST Aft coachroof winches – Self tailing 1 x Lewmar 43ST mast Halyard winch – Self tailing 2 x Lewmar 52ST 2-speed genoa sheet winches – Self tailing 2 x Lewmar 40ST Spinnaker winches – Self tailing 1 x Lewmar 16st Mast outhaul winch 1 x Lofrans 1700 windlass with radio remote/chain counter. Cockpit and forward deck manual switches. Navigation / Instruments Compass Rigel Poseiden with deviation card EPIRB Kannad GPIRB new 2013 VHF ICOM M56 radio with 2 antenna (mast and dome) Shipmate RS 8300 cockpit connector HF Icom IC-M800 SSB with ICOM AT-120E tuner. (needs fibre optic cable) Nav network B&G Hydra 330 with cockpit repeater. Simnet installed for autopilot. Instruments B&G Speed, Depth, Wind Speed, Wind Angle. GPS Furano GP-31 connected to B&G network NAVTEX Furano NX-300 connected to GPS Weather Fax Furano DFAX 207 Satellite Thrane & Thrane TT3022D Immarsat-C Depth sounder B&G Ultrasonic Log. Depth sounder sender renewed 2006 Radar Furuno 821 connected to GPS Autopilot Simrad AP24, AC42, new 2015. Raymarine linear drive Stereo Pioneer DEH-4606 with Bluetooth and iPod connection TV/Monitor Samsung UE22ES5410P with media player (RPii) Navigation Lights Bow, Stern, Steaming, Mast, Decklight, Cockpit, Strobe Electrical Systems 220v Shore power. 25m cable with connectors RCD switch 3 16A circuits Starboard sockets, Port Sockets, Water heater 1 10A circuit Battery Charger Inverter Mastervolt Mass 12/500 upgraded to 800W. Generator Paguro 4kVA diesel generator in fiberglass housing. New 2013. 195 hours. Remote start/monitor panel Charger Engine 60Ah Lucas alternator (new 2015) Mastervolt Mass 12/60 Battery charger 2 Kyocera 135W solar panels through Victron 50A MPPT controller Mastervolt automatic shore/generator/inverter switch Monitor Mastervolt battery monitor/charge control Batteries 3 x 135Ah Trojan wet cell (New 2015) 1 x 50Ah Optima red spiral start battery (New 2015) Lighting Instrument panel with 27 fuses/signal lights Red night lights (galley, nav station, rear head) LED Cabin lighting – all LED bulbs (new 2016) 1 Chart table light 1 500,000 candela spotlight with external power socket Sails Mainsail by UK Sails – Cruise Laminate (2013) on stackpac/lazyjack 31m2. 5 batterns, 4 reefs. Ocean cruising reinforcements. Genoa by UK Sails – Cruise Laminate (2013) on Profurl 39m2 Staysail by UK Sails - Dacron by Hood (2013) on Furlex 200S 12.6m2 Spinnaker by Hood (1991)with bucket and snuffer 96.2 m2 like new Gennaker by Hood (2001) multicolour with own furler, like new Storm staysail by Hood (1991) 8.0 m2 Heavy weather staysail by Lion (2001), orange, 4m2. Never used Trysail by Lion (2001) orange, 6m2, dedicated mast track. Never used. Covers – all new 2013 Hatch covers, Outboard engine cover, Wheel cover Summer awning, Summer shade cloths Winter tent Steering Autopilot – at helm. Linear drive to rudder quadrant Emergency Tiller – straight to quadrant Hydrovane self-steering. Emergency tiller. 2003 update Wheel – Edson on pedestal, cables on quadrants Rudder - on skeg with built in greaser system Water Systems Calorifier 60 Litre 220V and engine heated. Thermostat replaced 2015 Hot/Cold water Galley, 2 heads. Tapsets replaced 2013 Cold water Deck shower Bilge Jabsco electric, manual and automatic trigger. New 2013 Henderson MkII cockpit hand pump Seawater Handpump in galley sink. New 2012 Shower 2 sump draining pumps – new Gusher 2014 Fresh Water Shurflow with pressure reservoir Reserve water Whale MkIV foot pump Heating Central Heating System - Eberspächer D4L (diesel) with 6 exhausts: in the wet locker (aft head), aft cabin, chart table, saloon and master cabin. Heads Master cabin 1 toilet and warm/cold basin and shower on port side. Aft cabin/saloon 1 toilet and warm/cold basin and shower on starboard side, at the back a wet locker with open drain to the bilge. Deck 1 cold water shower on starboard near the cock pit. Galley Stove Taylor 041 stainless steel stove, oven, 2 burners, grill. Fridge Box 70 x 35 x 80 cm, two floors with freezer separation panel, closed drain to bilge. Isotherm 4701 Magnum ASU water-cooled unit. Refrigerant and electronics replaced 2015 Gas 5 x 3 kg Camping Gaz bottles in stern locker, dual gas regulator, external and internal cut-off valves. General Dinghy – 3.3 m inflatable keel, aluminium floor panels, new 2015 Life-raft – RCD serviced in 2014 with self-launching carrier at stern Fenders – 11 assorted fenders Mooring lines – 2 Bow lines, 2 stern lines 2 50m line-to-shore lines Tape spool, assorted other lines. Teak Decks – completely restored (deepened, caulked, propped and sanded) 2006. Caulking renewed 2015. Boat hooks x 2 , 2 x Lifebuoys, 2 x Danbuoys, 1 x LifeSling 3 x Fire Extinguishers, 1 x Fire Blanket Various engine spares and filters. All manuals and documentation
Peterson 44 Blue Water Cruiser for Sale
by David Blackburn (UK)
Please contact the owner, David Blackburn, at [email protected] - and don't forget to mention sailboat-cruising.com !
'Chapter Two' an Island Packet IP420
Downwind before rebuild started
Interior with keel reinforcement
New Deckhouse
SORRY, NOW SOLD! For more boats like this one that are currently for sale please go to Cruising Sailboats for Sale... Would you like to create one of the best go-anywhere sailboats in the world at a reasonable cost? Here's a chance to do just that. Continue our project with 'Nanuk' (previously called Snow Lion ). 'Nanuk' is a Derecktor 50 Ketch One-Off, built 1998. We really, really, really want to see someone take care of and finalize her! She has the potential of becoming an amazing family cruiser. Fast and exceptionally strong. 'Nanuk' was first launched 1998 at the Derecktor shipyard in Mamaroneck. Designed by Bob Derecktor and the owner Larry Huntington together. Her aluminium hull is an example of amazing craftsmanship. She's fast, strong and light. However she was completely useless as a family cruiser with an interior that looked more like a submarine. The rebuild has created a new cockpit and new deckhouse which in turn has made possible a completely new interior. The interior build is on its way. The hull is extremely well insulated. Safety - Additional information: Imperative when sailing in tough waters is to feel safe on-board. For this matter we've created/prepared for a number of water tight compartments to ensure that she stays afloat if the hull should be punctured. Rig & Keel: The masts and booms are custom made carbon fibre ones with rod rigging - everything in good condition. She had a lifting keel - now you have the option to go for either a fixed or a lifting version. We've created a structural design that allows you to have a choice - both being very strong. Equipment: There's quite a lot of equipment to go with her and I will send info of that to anyone who is seriously interested. A number of Lewmar winches including one electric. Examples of new never used equipment Victron Isolation Transformer, warm water heater & high pressure tank, 3 Facnor furling headsail sets (2 to go on her and one for spare parts). No engine is included. Create a dream: It will take time, money, know-how and not least passion to walk 'Nanuk' all the way but what a great boat she has the potential to be. Strong enough to face any challenge and faster than most monohulls afloat. Note though that to make her ready to go sailing it's not that long a stretch and please note that most of the really, really dirty and tough tasks are already done. There are of course drawings and ideas in abundance to share, and I will support her new owner to the best of my knowledge. Geographically she's located close to Karlstad in Sweden. Together with a buyer I can of course help solve the logistic challenges to have her moved. More info will be sent if you are seriously interested. We might consider a trade-in. Not a project.
'Wind Spirit' , Newport 30 Mk III Racer/Cruiser for Sale
by Bruce Dunn (Indiantown, Florida, USA)
Kings Cruiser 33, Fully Equipped Sailboat for Sale
by Andy (Greece (Mediterranean Sea))
'Second Wind' , a Caliber 33 for sale
by W L Steven (Titusville, Florida, USA)
'Second Wind' , a Caliber 33
'Second Wind' comes with blue dodger
Interior, looking forward
Interior, looking aft
SORRY, NOW SOLD! 'Second Wind' , a Caliber 33, is an excellent sailboat for weekend cruising or living aboard. Boat has been in storage for ten years. The engine will be serviced and running. Other systems; house batteries, water, waste, etc will need to be re-commissioned. Pictures shown are from last date of sail and do not reflect current condition of the boat. Cabin Boat has V-berth cabin forward followed by a starboard head with integral shower. The main saloon has 6 3" headroom, full-length settee/berth along the port side, an L-shaped starboard settee and a table that folds up against the forward bulkhead. Plenty of storage under settees, 2 tall lockers and wet locker and chart table. U-shaped galley aft to port with gimballed alcohol stove/oven, starboard quarter berth. Equipment 28 hp diesel, model 3GM with 26-gallon fuel tank, Raymarine radar with chart plotter, Raymarine autopilot, VHF Marine Radio with cockpit station, water heater, Sirius marine stereo with cabin and cockpit speakers, 2 CQR anchors with chain and rode, lines, fenders, roller jib, sails and covers, emergency tiller, AC/DC breaker panel, shore power, pumps, life jackets, BBQ. Note Thank you for your interest. I have put a few notes together to respond to the interest I am receiving about the 'Second Wind' . Please read below. I am the second owner and purchased the 'Second Wind' in 2005. During my ownership and as far as I know the boat has never taken on any water, has never been sunk, and never been damaged by hurricane, etc. I am looking into having the engine inspected, serviced and started while in storage so that you may have a better understanding of its condition. The Second Wind is a stable, secure boat that looked out for me during my years of sailing. I replaced the original Yanmar with a new identical Yanmar 3GM30FC in October 2006. I sailed the 'Second Wind' until September 2007. I then left the boat in storage, moved to Chicago and got married. The 'Second Wind' has been in storage ever since. I registered the 'Second Wind' with the Coast Guard every year.
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The pros and cons of ferrocement boats.
- Thread starter Lloydroberts
- Start date 12 Jan 2015
- 12 Jan 2015
Lloydroberts
I have noticed a few ferrocement yachts for sale at prices that seem very reasonable for size by comparison. These are around 25 years old. Has anyone got any experience of owning such a yacht and any advice on maintenance needs/pitfalls etc. Tia.
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Almost without exception they will be home built and/or home fitted-out. Some (S.Y. Pause) will be superb world-girdlers. Others will not. Watch out for, amongst other things, over-engineered hulls which are just too heavy, particularly at the ends, and corroding metal reinforcing. The stuff can be a mare to drill. Allegedly they are easy to repair. Like glyberfarce, paint is optional. I was on a fairly new 1970's ferro boat which struck the Goodwins in a wave trough. She cracked from gunwale to keel but we were able to motor home, albeit with a blue and orange escort. (I was about ten, so details scant)
Very heavy, very slow, and if you hit something and crack the hull, it's trash.
- 13 Jan 2015
LittleSister
Reason for low price is because many are wary of them. Quite a few are poorly built (especially in terms of over-built, as said previously) - you can usually spot these a mile away - but there are some absolute beauties out there (probably most would never know they were ferro), not only, but mainly, the professionally built ones. Yes, overbuilt ones will probably be slow, but they certainly aren't all slow. Contrary to what you would think, a ferro hull is not necessarily all that heavy, but it's a form of construction best suited to big boats (you can't scale down the thickness of the hull too far), and smaller ones do pay a significant weight penalty. (There's even a ferro dinghy in the Norfolk Broads museum, but it's VERY heavy.) If there are not detailed records of the build you may find difficulty getting other than 3rd party insurance without cores being taken and assessed by a surveyor. Yes, very easy to repair. I was in a group of boats setting off from Essex to Holland years ago. As we were settting off from a pontoon in Essex, one of the ferro boats got caught by the tide, impaled on a projecting scaffold pole, and holed just above the waterline. Having checked he was OK, the rest of us headed off for our voyage. He stayed, repaired the hole with epoxy cement, caught us up the next day. Another ferro boat I knew was accidentally grounded, and as the tide went out it lay with the turn of the bilge on the stump of a post or something similar, and holed. Again easily repaired (clearing up the mess from the flooding was the big job). I've happily sailed thousands of miles on ferro boats, and wouldn't rule out owning one, but I'd want to get a good understanding of how well built it was before I parted with my cash.
SAPurdie said: Almost without exception they will be home built and/or home fitted-out. (If there are not detailed records of the build you may find difficulty getting other than 3rd party insurance without cores being taken and assessed by a surveyor.) What a load of tosh. I have a 1982 Windboat 44 ( Windboats of wroxham built oysters) She is fully comp insured by Yachtmaster Insurance with an agreed valuation,no detailed build records or core sample requested. Surveyed by Martin Evens twice. once 8 years ago when i bought her and again last year as my insurance company want a survey every 7 years, again no core sample required. She is a heavy displacement sea kindly. safe.dry blue water cruiser with a decent turn of speed. There are some very good Ferro Boat websites,one of them is http://www.ferrocement.org/ I would not buy a home built one https://moonshineofmersea.wordpress.com/ Click to expand...
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Lloydroberts said: I have noticed a few ferrocement yachts for sale at prices that seem very reasonable for size by comparison. These are around 25 years old. Has anyone got any experience of owning such a yacht and any advice on maintenance needs/pitfalls etc. Tia. Click to expand...
Not so easy to repair if running into something underwater, the mesh armature means one cannot stuff something in the hole ! I've read here that insurance is tricky on home built ones.
Seven Spades
My question is why, why would you want to bug a boat that is slow and heavy? I assume it is because it fits your budget but with a bit of imagination you could get a really nice fibreglass boat like this for next to nothing. http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...aft-Apache-2663685/United-States#.VLTLjsZrY9Q
I owned a 52 foot ferro boat for two weeks. We (wife and I) were sailing in Yugoslavia when the guns started blazing. Most sensible yacht owners were fleeing out of there. We were planning to when we saw a 52 foot boat built in OZ for a ridiculous price because the Ozzy owner was desperate to get out of there. By air. So I bought it. Wife took the overland route back to Sweden while I planned to follow after I decided what to do about my now TWO boats. While still dithering after two weeks I was surprised to see a Norwegian guy aboard my new 52 footer. After an exchange of words h showed me a bill of sail for the boat which he bought cheap from a woman (my wife as it turned out) he met on the ferry to Sweden. So I owned one for two weeks. My wife rejoined me later during a lull in the fighting and we sailed our boat through the NATO blockade to Italy. By that time my ex 52 footer had a one meter diameter hole in her starboard side. My grateful thanks to my sensible wife for getting me out of that folly.
Bobc said: Very heavy, very slow, and if you hit something and crack the hull, it's trash. Click to expand...
LittleSister said: Reason for low price is because many are wary of them. Quite a few are poorly built (especially in terms of over-built, as said previously) - you can usually spot these a mile away - but there are some absolute beauties out there (probably most would never know they were ferro), not only, but mainly, the professionally built ones. Yes, overbuilt ones will probably be slow, but they certainly aren't all slow. Contrary to what you would think, a ferro hull is not necessarily all that heavy, but it's a form of construction best suited to big boats (you can't scale down the thickness of the hull too far), and smaller ones do pay a significant weight penalty. (There's even a ferro dinghy in the Norfolk Broads museum, but it's VERY heavy.) If there are not detailed records of the build you may find difficulty getting other than 3rd party insurance without cores being taken and assessed by a surveyor. Yes, very easy to repair. I was in a group of boats setting off from Essex to Holland years ago. As we were settting off from a pontoon in Essex, one of the ferro boats got caught by the tide, impaled on a projecting scaffold pole, and holed just above the waterline. Having checked he was OK, the rest of us headed off for our voyage. He stayed, repaired the hole with epoxy cement, caught us up the next day. Another ferro boat I knew was accidentally grounded, and as the tide went out it lay with the turn of the bilge on the stump of a post or something similar, and holed. Again easily repaired (clearing up the mess from the flooding was the big job). I've happily sailed thousands of miles on ferro boats, and wouldn't rule out owning one, but I'd want to get a good understanding of how well built it was before I parted with my cash. Click to expand...
>What a load of tosh. I have a 1982 Windboat 44 ( Windboats of wroxham built oysters) She is fully comp insured by Yachtmaster Insurance with an agreed valuation,no detailed build records or core sample requested. Surveyed by Martin Evens twice. once 8 years ago when i bought her and again last year as my insurance company want a survey every 7 years, again no core sample required. She is a heavy displacement sea kindly. safe.dry blue water cruiser with a decent turn of speed. There are some very good Ferro Boat websites,one of them is http://www.ferrocement.org/ I would not buy a home built one I agree, we know a Kiwi couple who circumnavigated in a professionally built Ferro boat with no problems.
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The problem with ferro boats is that they were and remain something of a niche, off the main track of GRP or metal hulls. As has been said, there are some very good ones out there, well made and maintained that will represent a bargain as the prejudice against the material leads to lower selling prices than you'd expect for a similar sized yacht. The downside is that it might well be difficult to shift the boat when you come to sell. I've never owned a ferro boat but I've seen some horrors out there. I recall looking at one in Greece. At first glance, it was a lovely looking boat but if you got close to the hull and looked along it, you could see the irregularities in the surface. The hull was very thick and when we left the yard, it was still sitting there awaiting a buyer, despite being quite well priced. So what? If you can find the right boat at the right price then ferro is a good as any other material but do get a good survey and check with a few insurers that you can get the level of cover you require.
LittleSister said: If there are not detailed records of the build you may find difficulty getting other than 3rd party insurance without cores being taken and assessed by a surveyor. Click to expand...
ferroboat said: What a load of tosh. I have a 1982 Windboat 44 ( Windboats of wroxham built oysters) She is fully comp insured by Yachtmaster Insurance with an agreed valuation,no detailed build records or core sample requested. Click to expand...
duncan99210 said: I've never owned a ferro boat but I've seen some horrors out there. I recall looking at one in Greece. At first glance, it was a lovely looking boat but if you got close to the hull and looked along it, you could see the irregularities in the surface. The hull was very thick and when we left the yard, it was still sitting there awaiting a buyer, despite being quite well priced. Click to expand...
JumbleDuck said: I suspect that "built by Windboats" is quite detailed enough. It would only be for "built in his back yard by a bloke whose plasterer mate helped out" efforts that more detail would be useful. Click to expand...
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As can be seen from this thread, there is a huge amount of prejudice against ferro so you can buy them very cheaply. In the early 70s it was the new wonder material and loads of people built boats that were far too big because they didn't appreciate that if you got a 50 ft hull for £1,000 it would cost as much to fit out as e.g. a wooden hull costing £10,000. The real horrors are the ones where the home builders thought they'd save a few hundred by plastering them themselves. I recall seeing one in a shed in the Surrey docks that was an average of 2" thick and looked like a swallow's nest. Good ones are very good and are often assumed to be GRP because of the finish. They have several big advantages, not least that they can be repaired anywhere in the world.
There is a very good reason for the prejudice against ferro. The example I owned was pro built by a world class designer. She was a sister ship to the "floating footpath" that circumnavigated the Antarctic by Griffiths. She came complete with a pro filming documentary kit to celebrate the Australian centennial. Her name was actually centennial. Dive bottles the lot for a give away price. The n Norwegian got a bargain because I left all equipment on board. I don't know what caused the damage whether it was a direct hit or a glancing rebound but the damage was over a very large area an substantial but repairable with the right materials epoxy, cement, and mesh. I never even slept aboard because I was living on our GRP boat about a hundred yards away. The main failure as far as I am concerned is the apparant low abrasion resistance. I heard of two ferro boats that sank after being abraded y coral in benign conditions. One of them dragged gently onto a reef with no swell but the keel wore through in hours an the boat became a total loss. OK at sea though. Ie stay away from the tropics and that pesky coral.
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- Q&A: What About Ferro-Cement Boats?
Question [edited for brevity]: I was perusing the boats for sale on the web and came across a number of ferro-cement hulled boats and I was wondering what you thought of that material in general for use in a cruising boat. Is it ever a good idea or is it a matter of manufacturer and current condition? Since I haven’t heard of any companies using it these days I thought it might be an indication that it was an experiment that didn’t show a lot of promise.
Answer : We have no experience with ferro-cement boats, other than hearing that they do not handle abrasion well. But we do know Mick and Bee who have been sailing their gaff-rigged ferro-cement sailboat Hannah for many years, though we’ve never asked them for their thoughts on ferro-cement.
Does anyone out there have personal first-hand experience with ferro-cement boats, or good and qualified engineering information (no hearsay, please)? If so, please leave a comment .
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First-hand experience? Not much, apart from helping out a concrete canoe team now and then.
General engineering information? If the designer understands the material, there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with ferro-cement from an engineering standpoint. It can be more than strong enough if designed and built correctly. Ferro’s main weakness is that the manufacturing process is very much dependent on the skill of the workers and the culture of the company. It is very difficult to tell whether you’re looking at a ferro hull built of quality materials by skilled staff, or one built of chicken wire and cheap mortar by whomever happened to be in the unemployment line that day. A few dead giveaways are an unfair hull and excessive variations in the surface texture, which would indicate that the cement work was done by unskilled labour instead of by properly trained plasterers. In the absence of such obvious bad signs, you need a very careful survey by someone who specializes in ferro construction; I doubt the average surveyor sees enough of them to know exactly what to look for.
I’d agree with your comments and observations on ferro, especially the point about fairness giving away a poor plastering job. Many years ago in Sausalito there was a stretch of rough ground with a row of horribly deformed ferro monstrosities, known locally as the Boulevard of broken dreams.
Ferro can be good, especially if the right design is selected, where the inherent weight penalty isn’t an issue, like the Colin Archer replicas (like Hannah) built by a builder who did it right (like Mick the Brick who built Hannah).
There are some weaknesses – poor resistance to impact, being one although this is less of an issue with a proper internal armature (and not just chicken wire) is used.
And I’m told that in many countries there is now a reluctance to insure ferro boats. Maybe this is down to poorly maintained or badly built boats frightening the insurers – I don’t know.
Ferro was very popular in Australia and NZ, especially the Hartley designs. They even offered a relatively light design (for ferro) called the RORC 39. In the UK Windboats of Wroxham built many of Peter Ibold’s Endurance range, and these are still highly valued, real heavy displacement cruisers.
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Note to self: Do not play nautical knowledge games with Colin, and especially not for money.
There goes another potential source of income….
To answer a few of the issues you raise.
Bonding new cement can be done by applying a coating of PVA glue to the old cement, allowing to dry and then applying new cement. Quikrete also offer their own version of this procedure.
Large, dry repairs to the keel can be done with an epoxy mortar, Portland cement, silicon sand and epoxy added to mortar slump consistency.
Chlorinated Rubber Paint – absolutely! I’d completely forgotten about that…I think next time I have something I need to research I’ll ask you first – so much quicker than googling through pages of stuff.
And lastly whilst it wasn’t something you made a comment on I would say that re-sale values are low but so are purchase prices so I certainly don’t see that as an issue.
Thanks very much for the info on bonding new cement. PVA glue, of course – amazing stuff.
I’d agree on the sale/re-sale issue, and ferro can certainly get you out there cruising if your budget is tight, as you guys and Hannah can prove.
The short answer is yes they do make good cruising boats. Particularly if you are, like us, of the impecunious strand. You get a lot of boat for your $ or £ in our case. Hannah was 8 years old when we bought her and included all we needed to head off. 51,000 miles later, all in the North Atlantic, much of it in Northern waters I can honestly say she was a GREAT buy. We did have her surveyed, by the surveyor who actually put the builder out of business, and, whilst he indicated a few voids, he could find little wrong with the boat. But Matt was right; finding a surveyor who knows what to look for could be a struggle.
Are they solid? A few years after we bought her we were motor tacking up the river to Lézardrieux in France. A moments inattention on my behalf had us solidly and crunchingly amongst the rocks. We utilised the scrubbing berth the town has and examined the damage. The bottom of the keel had a gouge either side some 5′ long, 9″ high and and inch or more deep….over the next five days between tides we chipped away loose cement, washed the damaged area, and then filled the damage with the cement we had on board. That included fairing and anti-fouling. 3 years later and back in the UK we thought we’d do the job properly but couldn’t remove the repair we’d made. Seems pretty solid to me. And I don’t want to labour the point or make you think I go around with my eyes closed but we T-boned a growler in Greenland which resulted in Hannah coming to a very sudden standstill. No damage to the hull but the bolt holding the bobstay fitting to the stem bent enough to cause water to leak in. A sister ship to Hannah was holed below the waterline, managed to beach her and repaired the damage between a single tide, floated off and carried on.
Are there problems? For sure. Getting paint to stick to the underwater hull, for us, has always been an issue but perhaps no more than anything else other than grp?
Whilst you can drill through the hull the armature makes it a hard job. Holes need to be oversized and then epoxied before re-drilling to ensure the armature remains isolated from water.
Boats with cement decks have the centre of gravity raised so avoid if possible.
Insurance we have insured with third party Pantanneus since we bought her but have had a number of builders/buyers write to us over the years about the problem of finding insurance cover. No idea why and they may have been wanting fully comp – can’t remember what it’s called over here?
And lastly wooden boat snobs turn cold when they find out we’re concrete. We love that!!! Two guys came upon us scrubbing off in Southampton. They waxed lyrical about Hannah, her lines etc and offered to help (she draws 7′ and is huge underwater) We gladly accepted and they chatted amongst themselves about how tight the planking was and how no seams could be seen….we broke the news gently..they downed tools and left.
It always used to be said that major repairs were an issue with ferro hulls, due to the difficulty of getting the new concrete to bond effectively with the old? I’ve seen two boats that had been holed that were repaired by the owners (in one case bought back from the insurers) and it certainly looked OK, but I wonder if you have any knowledge of this?
And I’ve also heard that many owners used chlorinated rubber paints as a cheap and durable coating, which would seem to make sense.
And it’s a pity about the insurance issue – I knew an Irish owner who sailed an Endurance as a sail training vessel, but had to quit that due to the impossibility of getting the boat insured.
Ferro lasts, though. There are still a number of water barges around the Fal area in Cornwall, dating back to WW II and the D-Day invasion. I’ve even seen a few fishing vessels in Scotland built in ferro, and they were as tough as they come. There is at least one Falmouth working boat in ferro, and I know that many wooden boat fans mistook ‘Skua’ (a sister to your Hannah) for wood at classic boat festivals….
But I’d have to say that I haven’t seen a new build in ferro, for a long, long time – where are the low cost builders these days?
There is the oft repeated adage that the more steel you put into a ferro cement hull the better they are and once you get to 100% steel you get a pretty good boat. However, Danza is a steel boat and like any other material it has its own set of issues. During our circumnavigation on Danza we sailed with a number of Ferro boats and many of them were wonderful, strong boats. As mentioned in the other posts it starts with a well built hull and a good maintenance program. We also crossed paths with Mick and Bee on Hannah on our trip to Greenland and Hannah seemed to be a wonderful boat in many respects. I think the biggest drawback to ferro cement is the resale value but what boat is a good financial investment.
I owned a 60 ft LOD / 50 ft LWL / 18 ft beam Jay Benford ferro wishbone ketch for a couple of years around 1988-1990. She was called the ‘Rockwell Kent’ under my ownership, and the ‘Harambe’ under her original name – launched in the 70’s and built in Port Angeles, WA. As the second owner, I got her in a fairly neglected state – most systems needed some work, so I got a good look at her; it turned into a restoration-and-resale project, tho that was not the original intention.
She was well built for a one-off, semi-home built yacht, and the first thing that seriously put me off the material itself was the ferro deck. You could dribble a golf ball on the bare ferro deck! Even tho this huge boat was very stable, the deck added a lot of weight where it did not belong, and it could be sensed in breeze of wind that her stability curve could have been better with a deck of almost anything else. The impressive thing for most people was not that she was ferro, but that she had a huge wishbone ketch rig. From the tip of her bowsprit to the end of her stern davits measured 78 ft. It was great fun sailing a big, heavy boat; she was very comfortable, but the hull did sweat so condensation prevention was a concern. The maintenance was no harder with ferro than with any other material, but I used to get a fright everytime we bumped the bottom. I doubt the bottom of the keel could ever be easily be repaired with confidence.
In my opinion, the reasons no one builds in ferro any more is the huge time investment just to build the hull, and the abysmal resale value. I think even most dreamers now know that the savings on the hull materials alone simply don’t constitute sufficient savings against the whole project to justify ferro.
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Item 121 SOLD at auction. Hartley Tahitian 45 feet. Build 1981. Ketch rig. Renewed and repaired 2004-2008.
Item 120 For Sale. "Mithrandir" - 37' Samson C-Crest Ketch. Launched 1978. Canadian registered vessel. Built in Victoria, B.C. Canada. Professionally plastered. Lee sails - mizzen, mizzen staysail, mainsail, jibs (2), genoa, spinnaker, storm sail, storm tri-sail. Aluminium masts and all stainless rigging. Barient self-tailing winches. 240 feet of 7/16 inch chain. CQR and Danforth anchors. VHS radio. Recording depth sounder. Volvo MD2B engine. Hydrovane self-steering. Wind generator. Two 20 gallon fuel tanks. Two stainless steel baffled water tanks (approximately 100 gallons total). Dickinson diesel stove and oven. Interior - mahogany bulkheads and trim, red cedar cabin ceiling, teak and maple flooring. Sailed from Victoria, B.C. to England 1982-1983. Great blue water sail boat and/or live aboard. Located in Victoria, B.C. Canada. Needs work to cabin cockpit and toe rail. Owner must sell due to illness. Asking $14,000 CDN. Please contact [email protected]
Item 119 SOLD. 42' Ketch Aft Cockpit Motor Sailor - Ian J. Ross design. Launched on 1980, Length is 48' including bowsprit, beam-12', Draft 6'-4" (full keel), Displacement 46,000lbs (internal ballast). Wheelhouse & cabinet are solid teak on plywood. Decks are Ferro cement, cockpit is fiberglass/plywood. 6ft long solid teak bowsprit with teak grating. Hatches & davits are Atkins & Hoyle. Wheelhouse has steering station as well as cockpit. 85 hp Ford diesel, Fuel & water tanks are custom stainless steel, 21" 4 bladed bronze propeller. Interior is solid mahogany with teak & holy sole. Masts are aluminum with galvanized standing rigging. Sails include main, mizzen, #1 & #2 jibs. The hull is constructed with 7 layers of square welded mesh sandwiching 2 layers of high tensile rods, cement was applied from the inside & pushed through to smooth off on the outside. We have a complete set of pictures during the building of the boat. She has been in dry dock, (at Port Credit Yacht Club, Lake Ontario, just outside of Toronto, Ontario, Canada) for the last 4 years and requires TLC. These pictures were taken 5 years ago. Many more pictures for interested parties. Dinghy is not included, (that is seen in picture). offers
Item 118 For Sale. Brimstone, one of Mike Peyton's trio of sailing boats is a 35 foot (38 foot with stern platform) ketch built 1976 and is only up for sale because following a recent knee replacement (and a second imminent), I'm not quite as nimble around the decks as I used to be. My wife and I have thoroughly enjoyed our three seasons aboard in the Mediterranean and will certainly miss her. She is fully equipped with: auto pilot, radar, GPS, chart plotter, new DSC VHF radio, inverter, Duogen (water/wind) charger, 35w solar panel, navtex, "intelligent battery charger", CD player, usual instruments etc. She has a lifting keel and a powerful Ford Mermaid 54hp diesel engine. Brimstone's hull has also recently been totally cleaned off below the waterline and been repainted. She is also equipped with a 25 gallon holding tank, which is ideal for those secluded Med anchorages. In addition to her furling genoa, slab reefing main and mizzen, her sail wardrobe includes: flying jib, storm jib, trysail, mizzen staysail and cruising chute with snuffer. There is also a moveable inner forestay. Recent upgrades to the vessel include: completely refurbished cockpit and decks, reupholstering and painting of main saloon, new bilge pump (total two manual), gas alarm, electric galley water pump, new stern gland. £23,000 ono. Home+33 (0)4 50567420. Mob +41 (0) 79 457 3846
Item 117 SOLD. 63' LOD Samson "C-Witch" Staysail Schooner. A true blue water cruising yacht. Perfect for that family world cruise or charter business. Magnificent interior constructed to yacht standards of all solid woods as well as the deck which is all wood laid over laminated beams and capped with 1" thick air dried Burmese Teak. Full sail inventory. Over $450,000 invested in construction. One owner since new,licensed Captain/Experienced professional yacht builder,launched in 1976, recent haul out,excellent surveys. Must sell due to owners age and health,Asking $125,000.
Item 116 For Sale. Samson C-breeze, Ketch Rig, center cockpit. Length: 50 ft-15mt (incls bowsprit), Beam: 11.5ft - 3.50mt. Built in uk, was SSR registered. World Cruising/Liveaboard with reputuation for seaworthiness & sea kindliness. Cruise in comfort, style & safety. Total restoration. She's stripped and engine removed. The hull is perfect, needs painting. The aluminum masts are in excelent shape. Has a British Leyland diesel engine type 4/98 (injectors missing), gear box, propeller and shaft. 2 Inox Water tanks, 1 Diesel tank, a, Hydraulic steering and sails. Unfortunatly I must give up this dream, my life had a dramatic change and I have to sell. Lying in Dry dock in the South of Portugal, Algarve, Portimao. In site there are several builders and ship repair companys. Asking $45,000 / 35,000€ - offers Contact: Romeu Domingues [email protected] +351 919 756 699
Item 115 SOLD 1980 cutter Samson C-Deuce. LOA 50', 42' on deck, 15.5' beam. Full keel. Draft 6.5'. Documented vessel. Sleeps 6. 1 head with shower. Galley overlooks large salon. Large pilot house seats 6 adults. Large forward V berth sleeps 2. Aft berth sleeps 2. Salon converts to sleep 2. Pilot house can also sleep 2. 7.5 kw Onan generator. 100 hp Detroit Diesel engine with crawl space. 2 portable A/C units. Fishfinder, shortwave radio. Marine CD player/radio. Genoa and main sails. Main in poor condition. Hull is water tight below the water line. Stuffing box not attached. Some deck leaks. Bottom paint needed. Motor not running. Wood trim & deck need work. Great live aboard. Needs TLC. $4,999.00. Insured and docked at Fort Myers Beach, Florida.
Item 114 SOLD Asking $28,000 US. On Mooring Near Palm Beach Florida USA 40 foot King & Choie (KC 40) Cutter rigged bow sprit ketch 44 FOA 11.5 beam 6 foot draft. Designed in Ferro Cement by Sampson for K&C. Cut Away Full Keel.Ferro Cement Hull number four built in South Korea in 1973. Modern Cabin/cockpit upgrade with ten ports and four hatches. Mostly Teak Interior.Great livaboard boat has been home for ten years. Now moving ashore. Everything to start your cruising adventures. Volvo MB 3 B with 100 amp Alt. Hood Roller Furl Head sail with extra sails, Seven Winches. Large manual windlass, Chain, and Anchors. Whisker Pole.Deck wash down. Propane system with force ten stove/oven, Nocold refr. Ship Safe, Shore power and Shore Water. Wind Generator, Inverter, Ham Raio with SSB freqs, VHF, Depth/fish, two GPS, Helm computer with chart software and charts, Wheel Pilot, compass, etc..Aspen Glow Lighting with LED Night lighting.Home theater, Two TV's,One set Scuba Gear, 10 Foot Inflatable with 15 Yamaha. Includes mooring.It even comes with a three year old siamese boat cat if you like him.
Item 113 For Sale. "NAGUAL", Endurance 35. Complete refitt 2007 Hull, sails, motor, spars. Built in the USA, North Carolina in 1976. Professionally plastered very fair hull, finished with epoxy and 2 -part urethane paint. Many pictures of the job. Well equipped for long sailing trips, cruising or live aboard, All sails in very good condition.Roller furling genoa, Staysail, Main, Gennaker. Power Nannidiesel 2.50 diesel = 50HP 200hours. J Prop 3 Blade Bronze 18"folding propeller. 2 Barrient 28+ winches refitt as new 2010 ( Hutton Arco australia ) Alu Sparcraft spars, Norseman fittings Bimini, dogger etc, Lofrans Tigres 1200W anchorwinch, 3 anchors. Aries windvane pilot. Panda generator 4800KVA. Dickinson stove Now in Pointe a Pitre, Guadeloupe, French Western Indies. Asking 70 000 Euros Contact, [email protected]
Item 112 WANTED FERRO SAILING YACHT 55 TO 80 FT LONG PROJECT OR READY TO GO OR WORK REQUIRED EMAIL PHOTOS AND DETAILS TO [email protected]. From Gerald webb mob 0044-7964-919-721 or via email address above
Item 111 For Sale Brenda, Built 1986, Length: 13.76m. Engine: Perkins 1983, 96hp. Mainsail, Genoa I Furl, Compass, Log, Echo sounder, Wind direction finder, Anemometer, Navigator, GPS, Plotter, VHF-radio, Self steering gear, Fish finder, RAdar. Cockpit: Hood, Sprayhood, Boom tarpaulin, Boom tarpaulin, Cockpit telt, Cockpit table, Teak deck, Teak sole. Inboard: Heat, Cooling box, Refrigerator, Galley, Cooker, Oven, Fresh water, Hot Water, Toilet, Holding tank, Radio, Tv, CD-player, DVD-player. Anchor, Dinghy, Fenders, Life ring, Winter tarpaulin, Fire extinguisher. Batteries, 220V shore-power, Winch, Guardrail, Bathing ladder, Windlass, Bow propulsion, Build at yard. A well maintained yacht built for the great oceans or as a home all year around. The interior is of very high standard with top class woodwork. Bow thruster, startengine, generator, new pumps 2007. Good sails. Moored in Southern part of Sweden. price 1,052,000sek. Contact Paul, [email protected] +46-761-714343
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Sailor Cole Brauer makes history as the first American woman to race solo around the world
Aboard her 40-foot racing boat First Light , 29-year-old Cole Brauer just became the first American woman to race nonstop around the world by herself.
The New York native pulled into A Coruña, Spain, on Thursday after a treacherous 30,000-mile journey that took 130 days.
She thanked a cheering crowd of family and fans who had been waiting for her on shore.
“This is really cool and so overwhelming in every sense of the word,” she exclaimed, before drinking Champagne from her trophy.
The 5-foot-2 powerhouse placed second out of 16 avid sailors who competed in the Global Solo Challenge, a circumnavigation race that started in A Coruña with participants from 10 countries. The first-of-its-kind event allowed a wide range of boats to set off in successive departures based on performance characteristics. Brauer started on Oct. 29, sailing down the west coast of Africa, over to Australia, and around the tip of South America before returning to Spain.
Brauer is the only woman and the youngest competitor in the event — something she hopes young girls in and out of the sport can draw inspiration from.
“It would be amazing if there was just one girl that saw me and said, ‘Oh, I can do that too,’” Brauer said of her history-making sail.
It’s a grueling race, and more than half of the competitors have dropped out so far. One struck something that caused his boat to flood, and another sailor had to abandon his ship after a mast broke as a severe storm was moving in.
The four-month journey is fraught with danger, including navigating the three “Great Capes” of Africa, Australia and South America. Rounding South America’s Cape Horn, where the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans meet, is often likened to climbing Mount Everest because of its perfect storm of hazards — a sharp rise in the ocean floor and whipping westerly winds push up massive waves. Combined with the frigid waters and stray icebergs, the area is known as a graveyard for ships, according to NASA. Brauer said she was “so unbelievably stoked” when she sailed past Cape Horn in January.
Marco Nannini, organizer of the Global Solo Challenge, said the comparison to scaling Mount Everest doesn’t capture the difficulty of the race. Sailing solo means not just being a skipper but a project manager — steering the boat, fixing equipment, understanding the weather and maintaining one’s physical health.
Nannini cited the relatively minuscule number of people who have sailed around the world solo — 186, according to the International Association of Cape Horners — as evidence of the challenges that competitors face. More than 6,000 people have climbed Mount Everest, according to High Adventure Expeditions .
Brauer stared down 30-foot waves that had enough force to throw her across the boat. In a scare caught on camera, she badly injured her rib near the halfway point of the event. At another point, her team in the U.S. directed Brauer to insert an IV into her own arm due to dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea.
She was able to stay in constant communication with members of her team, most of whom are based in New England, and keep herself entertained with Netflix and video calls with family through Starlink satellites. That’s also how Brauer was able to use Zoom to connect with NBC News for an interview, while she was sailing about 1,000 miles west of the Canary Islands.
While Brauer was technically alone on First Light, she had the company of 450,000 followers on Instagram, where she frequently got candid about life on an unforgiving sea while reflecting on her journey.
“It all makes it worth it when you come out here, you sit on the bow, and you see how beautiful it is,” she said in an Instagram video, before panning the camera to reveal the radiant sunrise.
Brauer grew up on Long Island but didn’t learn to sail until she went to college in Hawaii. She traded in her goal of becoming a doctor for life on the water. But she quickly learned making a career as a sailor is extremely difficult, with professional racers often hesitant to welcome a 100-pound young woman on their team.
Even when she was trying to find sponsors for the Global Solo Challenge, she said a lot of people “wouldn’t touch her with a 10-foot pole” because they saw her as a “liability.”
Brauer’s message to the skeptics and naysayers? “Watch me.”
“I push so much harder when someone’s like, ‘No, you can’t do that,’ or ‘You’re too small,’” Brauer explained.
“The biggest asset is your mental strength, not the physical one,” Nannini said. “Cole is showing everyone that.”
Brauer hopes to continue competing professionally and is already eyeing another around-the-world competition, but not before she gets her hands on a croissant and cappuccino.
“My mouth is watering just thinking about that.”
Emilie Ikeda is an NBC News correspondent.
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killarney_sailor. 4525 posts · Joined 2006. #2 · Jul 22, 2007. Condition is not the only concern. There is a very nice ferro-cement 40' in our club that has been for sale for a couple of years for a good price. It is owned by an older couple (he is close to 80 I think) who keep very good care of the boat.
Aug 31, 2019. #16. While some of us are cautious or skeptical of ferro-cement hulls, it is worth remembering that ALL hull materials can have fatal flaws if not constructed properly. When considering aluminum, steel, cold molded wood, plank-on-frame, and fiberglass, it *always* depends on materials and labor skill.
Used 1974 Ferro Cement 40Ft for sale with the beautiful name "Ferro Cement 40ft Ketch" is located in Gillingham ( England, United Kingdom ). This vessel was designed and built by the Ferro shipyard in 1974. Key features 1974 Ferro Cement 40Ft: length 12.27 meters, beam 3.43 meters, boat displacement 14,160 kilograms and max boat draft 1.89 meters.
Ferro-cement is the name given by English speaking people to a boat building method using steel wires covered with a sand and cement plaster, patented in 1855 by the French, who called it Ferciment. ... It is the cheapest and easiest form of construction for boats over 25 ft. And apart from strip-plank composite construction, it is the only ...
Construction. The hull on this yacht has been built in an approved, proven method for Ferro-Cement construction, as confirmed by the Lloyds register of shipping Ferro-Cement Hull release note, No.LON 401584, dated 10th October 1974, signed by E.R Theobald, surveyor to Lloyds Register of shipping and further confirmed by discussions with the ...
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30 ft Sailing Boat Moored on the Italian Riviera (Ready to go cruising!) $21,500. by Christopher Barr ... Ferro-cement was popular in the 1960's and 1970's before home-builders could build boats out of fiberglass. ... 40 ft 0 in 12.17m Beam: 13 ft 0 in 3.87m LWL: 32 ft 0 in Draft: 5 ft 0 in 1.5m
Done properly on boats about 35 ft plus ferro is a very good very tough ultra-low-maintenance material, and not necessarily any heavier than a similar sized steel yacht. Forget cracking paving slabs, ferro is a tightly woven steel mesh-y core with just enough special cement in to fill the tiny gaps.
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That is a 14 lb per square foot hull section which is substantially heavier than the 7 1/2 to 9 pound per square foot fiberglass hull section that would be typical on a 40 to 45 foot boat. On the last point, I stand by my statement that Ferro cement requires a high level of skill and a large labor force to build properly.
Boat is lying at Berkeley, California. $99,000 USD. For a full spec sheet with interior and exterior photos Contact Wyn Folsome 1-415-299-7168. [email protected]. Item 144 For Sale 70' Peterson Schooner. Built 2002. in Marina Del Rey, California. 12 sail bags (light, medium, and heavy weather for each sail) Rig built at abeking & rasmussen ...
Ferro was very popular in Australia and NZ, especially the Hartley designs. They even offered a relatively light design (for ferro) called the RORC 39. In the UK Windboats of Wroxham built many of Peter Ibold's Endurance range, and these are still highly valued, real heavy displacement cruisers. Best wishes.
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Cons, The smaller the boat, the heavier it is for it's length. There is no weight advantage until you get above 40 feet or so. They rust. The interior of the hull of a ferro cement boat is rebar and chicken wire. That is what holds it together and provides strength. But cement absorbs water.
Item 114 SOLD Asking $28,000 US. On Mooring Near Palm Beach Florida USA 40 foot King & Choie (KC 40) Cutter rigged bow sprit ketch 44 FOA 11.5 beam 6 foot draft. Designed in Ferro Cement by Sampson for K&C. Cut Away Full Keel.Ferro Cement Hull number four built in South Korea in 1973. Modern Cabin/cockpit upgrade with ten ports and four hatches.
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Aboard her 40-foot racing boat First Light, 29-year-old Cole Brauer just became the first American woman to race nonstop around the world by herself.