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• Start date 29 Dec 2006
• 29 Dec 2006

Hi, Can anyone give me a view on a cole 23 grp with fixed fin keel designed by peter cole built by northshore boats. I am new to this game and would like anyones view on the performance handling comfort etc... pros and cons. Can anyone tell me were to get info on this boat specs etc...  

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Hello Christmas (as usual) I can't answer your question however.... We have 3 Cole 26 and one Cole 32 at our club. They are fine cruising boats but quite slow in racing. I am slightly familiar with the Cole 23 retractable keel (briefly sailed on one many years ago) which is a fine trailer sailer but quite heavy. It has a big cabin and if I remember corectly a flush deck ie the cabin top extends to the gunwhales. A fixed keel version should be good(for its size) for rough water open ocean. good luck and look out for those maxis doing 16knots up the Derwent. olewill  

• 30 Dec 2006

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[ QUOTE ] 3 Cole 26 and one Cole 32 at our club. They are fine cruising boats but quite slow in racing. olewill [/ QUOTE ] William, I'm hoping they are badly sailed. Ive lusted after Cole 31's, Nantucket31 etc for years. Grasshopper is a timber 31 and has won the Sydney Hobart and other major races. As for the Cole 23 trailer sailer, I have never raced on one but they seem a bit tender, that large genoa might have been fashionable in the 70's but where I sail they get a hiding from Castle 21's. The fixed keel versions seem plentiful on Sydney Harbour. Would be a roomy smaller cruiser and a better bet than say an Endeavour 24 for not much more money.  

Yes very likely the Coles are not sailed very well. I sail a 25year old (#1) Castle and while I don't race against the 31 only one of the 26s has kept up in fairly heavy weather once or twice out of perhaps 50 encounters. I have several times passed the 31 when he does race even though he starts 5 mins earlier. But of course the Castle is not so comfortable and is more of a lightweight sports boat. However this also goes well when you tow it. good saing in 07 olewill  

All good information thankyou, now does any one know if there is a Cole club or Cole website etc... Thanks...  

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The Cole 23 is a 22.83ft masthead sloop designed by P. Cole & Assoc. and built in fiberglass since 1982.

The Cole 23 is a light sailboat which is a very high performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat.

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Hello first post first sail boat (TS) first project. I have one of the few manual worm drive on cable keels. Haven't even had her in the water thank goodness as removed the centre table top to find the cable un attached lol. So does any one have the set up in pic or verbal form as we seem to have a safety wire and rope plus the winch wire thanks in advance  

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• Start date Jul 21, 2009
• Jul 21, 2009

In it to win it

What did you think of Cole Boats? In particular the : Nighthawk superhawk 250S 280 - 300S (I heard they renamed the last couple to 30's because they measured bigger?) What's the difference between the nighthawk and superhawk? Same bottom different top? etc.. If the 250S was being built today, how do you think it'd fair in the market? What about the 22Superhawk? RD  

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RiverDave said: One sexy boat by the way.. http://www.boattrader.com/listing/-COLE-BOATS-Superhawk-94764655 RD Click to expand...

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A friend of mine had a problem in I think it was a superhawk. BAD chine walk spit everyone out, near drowning. The boat was returned for a "check out" and was cut up before insurance CO. got a look at it.  

500bbc said: A friend of mine had a problem in I think it was a superhawk. BAD chine walk spit everyone out, near drowning. The boat was returned for a "check out" and was cut up before insurance CO. got a look at it. Click to expand...

I like the look of the Super Hawk.I had a buddy who has one.Stock 330hp454 would run almost 70.  

I've seen a 25'er that I like very much. It was a recent year model for sale at Eliminator. I believe there was some speculation that maybe Eliminator was laying up the hulls...something like that. Don't remember all the details. However that hull does remind me of the eagle series by Eliminator. TPC, I read where you posted what you've heard about Cole. Were you hinting that the Don Aronow and Jim Cole shootings were related???? Or did I completely miss the bus on that one?  

Does anybody know the difference between a nighthawk and a superhawk? What other models did he have in that size range? RD  

I like all the Coles...but its sort of like the DCM's...loved the Howard Cruiser too....but if someone started remaking them I don't think I would be lining up...as their styling is more niche....it was aheard of its time but that time has passed so only the person looking for that niche is going to buy it....As for timeless shapes if I were in the market, I would tend to get a Schiada or Hallett...but that is just me...  

Lue said: I've seen a 25'er that I like very much. It was a recent year model for sale at Eliminator. I believe there was some speculation that maybe Eliminator was laying up the hulls...something like that. Don't remember all the details. However that hull does remind me of the eagle series by Eliminator. TPC, I read where you posted what you've heard about Cole. Were you hinting that the Don Aronow and Jim Cole shootings were related???? Or did I completely miss the bus on that one? Click to expand...

RiverDave said: I have never heard anything to guess that they were even remotely related? Don Arronow was killed in the 80's I thought? Jim Cole was building boats into the late 90's early 2000's.. RD Click to expand...

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Upon looking at the Cole 20.5, I have to say the Hi-Tech Marine 20.5 looks a lot like it...Jim Lang (who raced Coles at one point) owned Hi-Tech and I wonder if these 20.5 boats were built from the same molds or were completely different plugs....  

mbrown2 said: Upon looking at the Cole 20.5, I have to say the Hi-Tech Marine 20.5 looks a lot like it...Jim Lang (who raced Coles at one point) owned Hi-Tech and I wonder if these 20.5 boats were built from the same molds or were completely different plugs.... Click to expand...

.boatpoor said: Correct. The 21'WAS RAISED AND STRETCHED. Click to expand...

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A 91 cole like that would have been gel'd and laid up by Danny Mancini in lake elisnore. They used that strip design a lot back then. Same guys that made my Caliber 1  

mbrown2 said: Which 21 was raised and stretched? Click to expand...

Since this is my first reply to anything,anywhere, please excuse if I goof this up. I used to own a 1995 22' Superhawk with a 454 Mag I/O. In 1998 I had Jim C. build me a 22' Nighthawk I/O with a 700HP Pfaff engine. It was also the same year Jim built the first 250S, in fact I drove his first one. Actually my boat was officially called a 220S and that's how it's indentified on it's sides. The bottom is the same as the Superhawk, but Jim was using a newer mold. Top deck of the Nighthawk has smoother (Rounder) edges as it transitions to the raised portion of the deck. Minor differences at the stern as well. We're here in SD North county as well --- lost house and pics of the older 1995 boat in the wild fire or I could show comparison pics --- assuming I knew how to post a pic which I don't. Currently posting from my shed in my avocado grove !! In the AM I'll try to figure out how to post a pic of the 220S (Nighthawk). Chine walk CAN be a problem depending on the set up, mine starts talking to me around hi-80's, water conditions depending. I know I need longer tabs, perhaps even an inch or two shorter lower, but first I need our house back --- priorities.  

My good buddy owns a 2000 or 2001 Cole 250s. One of the most badass boats I've ever been on. He loves it, and has owned a Cole since 1985. His boat's name is "Oral Cop" and is flawless. Great boat  

So whats the difference in the bottom of this 22 skier and the superhawk/nighthawk? This is a cool boat except for the black gel. http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1995-Cole-Boats-World-Class-Skier-95108229  

brianwhiteboy said: This is my 91 Cole Super Sport 20'....actually I think they call it a 20.5'. Great boat, excellent quality - can't go wrong with Cole Click to expand...

Dave, Here's a recent picture of my 98 Cole 220, AKA Nighthawk (Well at least I hope so)  

Taboma, that thing is sick.  

Thank you HB She certainly lights my fire, and that's what it's all about  

Taboma...very nice boat!...those closed deck 22's have very nice lines...  

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Lue said: TPC, I read where you posted what you've heard about Cole. Were you hinting that the Don Aronow and Jim Cole shootings were related???? Or did I completely miss the bus on that one? Click to expand...

Taboma said: Dave, Here's a recent picture of my 98 Cole 220, AKA Nighthawk (Well at least I hope so) Click to expand...

tpc I'm thinking you must be talking about a different arrownow then the "don arrownow" I'm thinking of? The don arrownow I'm thinking of was an eastcoast guy, started formula did real well with it and his "cigarette" race boats etc? Was killed by some drug dealers in febuary of 1987? Did he have a kid or something? Or is there another arrownow out there famous for building / designing boats? Which also brings me back to the 34 magic sorcerer? RD  

Sure Jim C. could be a bit "Rough" and "Cankerous" and to say he's a character is putting it mildly, but he built me two great solid boats and I got what I paid for --- I'm a huge fan of both Jim and his boats. In regards to chine walk, the boat likes to take a set slightly bow up rather than run flat, it likes to sit on the delta pad. In a perfect set the bow will tend to "Draw" small circles as it rotates slightly on the pad. As speed increases the bravo four blade (And perhaps the bravo drive) tends to lift the transom, so you counter with increased trim. Eventually as I've seen in pictures I've had taken at high speed, the strakes and tabs are out of the water and the boat is balancing only on the last inch or so of the pad. I know there's more top end to be had, as we all know, it just takes $$$ and experimentation. Dave, sounds like you've ridden in two Cole I/Os who's owners have found the solutions. Should I ever decide to pursue more speed it seems those are the guys I need to talk to. Unless of course their solution was simply huge horsepower and leaving the bottom wet. I also agree that the 250S is one fine boat, I came close to swapping for that model, but with the much higher freeboard it didn't have that "Flatty" feel I was seeking.  

RiverDave said: tpc I'm thinking you must be talking about a different arrownow then the "don arrownow" I'm thinking of? The don arrownow I'm thinking of was an eastcoast guy, started formula did real well with it and his "cigarette" race boats etc? Was killed by some drug dealers in febuary of 1987? Did he have a kid or something? Or is there another arrownow out there famous for building / designing boats? Which also brings me back to the 34 magic sorcerer? RD Click to expand...

TPC said: Yeah, that's the guy, I just have the spelling Jacked up. I know nothing about him, except I'm told he designed some boats for Cole,, and also designed the Magic Sorcerer. If you sit in one, Cole is the first name that comes to your mind. Cole boat legacy all over the design and ride and performance of the Sorcerer IMHO. The boat just drips with everything excellent. The LAPD fellow Elks members I drink & chat with said Arrownow (sic?) and Cole also had some joint affiliation in building boats for the Treasury/DEA/CG. Somehow the story then grows a leg or two in the re-telling, and the Cole monkey business gets brought in. Beyond that conversation, I really don't know anything about Don, or if any of what I'm told is true. Click to expand...

Waterndog --- We boat on Havasu. Been a couple of seasons since we've made the trip up past Topoc.  

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I really don't care.

So let me ask a hypothetical here.. If someone was to start producing the 22 Superhawk, 250S, and the 280/300S, to Cole's original standards.. Do you think anyone would step up to the plate and buy one in this market? I personally think a couple of 250S's and maybe a 22 could actually be sold in this market.. The big boat I'm not sure about? RD  

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The 250s is a sick looking boat, the 22superhawk is bad ass and a good running bottom, my cousin has 2 of them a all black open bow putting around 800hp and a white closed bow with around 600hp. have to see if i have some pics of them  

In addition to his go fast and family boats: Cole was big into boat racing and had some proprietary designs with innovations he competed with. Everyone claimed he stole designs from them, but then every good boat designer I've known has received the same kinda accusations too. I remember of a couple of Brothers that lived up in Sylmar piloted for him. Ferget their names. :hmm Wonder what ever became of all that floating stock?  

Coffee makes me poop.

The 250S was on the cover of an old HOTBOAT magazine. Its the first HB mag I ever saw. Its not on the newstands around here, and I found it one of the repo houses I was working on. I took the magazine home and read it cover to cover, sent in my subscription money the next day. I was pretty hot for that Cole on the cover, man was that boat beautiful. I had never seen such a sleek looking boat. I couldn't ever find one for sale, so I bought the Laveycraft which has pretty similar sleek lines to it. Wasn't there a 250S but not really a Cole for sale on here or Havasu Doug's for a while? Great lines. I just think there's an awful lot of used boats for sale to compete with....to be building anything new on spec....  

• Jul 22, 2009

The 250S is one of my favorite boats as well.. I still remember their add 96.7 mph with a Stage II procharged 502 mag... Or something like that.. LOL Great looking boat, and some of them flat hauled ass. RD  

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What size Cole was J540s? Now that was a bad ass Cole. And RD, I think if people were buying 25' V bottoms new right now that Cole would sell pretty damn good. IMO it is the best looking 25 footer I have seen.  

J540's boat was a 22 nighthawk or superhawk. I believe. RD  

RiverDave said: J540's boat was a 22 nighthawk or superhawk. I believe. RD Click to expand...

.boatpoor said: I thought it was smaller, like 20.5? Click to expand...

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